Firs cycle, Dbol and Test E

[BrianG6]

Hey guys I was just wondering if you could critique or suggest some improvements to my cycle. This will be my first time using anabolic steroids. I have 100 tabs of dbol, 50mg each. I have broken these tabs up into fourths, so they are essentially 12.5mg each. As for the test e, i have two 250mg vials. I will be doing an injection of 1.5cc's every 5 days for 8-10 weeks. Should I inject more often? Or mix up the dosage? As for the Dbol, im going to run a 6-8 week cycle of it. The first week Ill do 12.5mg when I wake up and 12.5mg before I workout. The second week Ill do 12.5mg in the morning, before workout, and at night. As for the 3-8 week ill be dosing 12.5mg when I wake up, at lunch, before I workout, and before I go to bed. Is this too much dbol for my first cycle? Should I lower the dosage? I was also wondering what kind of gains I will see. I am 21 years old, Im about 5'8" and weigh 180lbs. I have 9.2% body fat. My pct will consist of clomid or nolva. I have the clomid now but I was wondering if it will be enough? Also should i take arimidex during my cycle to help fight gyno?

[thex95]

You are too young for steroids. Continue gaining natural until your 25, then you can consider using steroids.

[BrianG6]

Could you help explain why 21 is too young. Im only going to do one cycle too see the pros and cons. I will be on a good pct, so what are some of the reasons to not take steroids at my age. Also I forgot to mention in my first post that I will be taking 2 liver supports as well.

[thex95]

It is good that you know about PCT and protecting your liver, that's a sure sign that when your old enough you can successfully run a solid cycle. However at your age their are serious risks with running a cycle.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...s#.Tyx371z2YsI

this thread written by one of the really knowledgeable guys on here can shed some light as to why it is not wise to run a cycle at a young age.

[BrianG6]

I should have said this in my last post but thanks for not being a complete dick about my age. I have had other people completely bash me and say how retarded I am because I am 21, so thank you for giving helpful advice and being professional about it. I read that thread and I found out some things I did not know. But like he said at the end of the thread he just wants the newbies to "proceed with caution". So in that case, i feel I know that I am taking some risks being 21 years old but I'm willing to take them.

[MickeyKnox]

I don't have ANY AAS experience. however, i have read until my eyes bled. I'm older than you but am about as new at this as you. This is what i am going to do for my first cycle. with the help i received here and elsewhere i believe this is a decent beginners cycle that INCLUDES an oral. Having said that, i am seriously considering Test E ONLY, as suggested here many times by the Vets/Pros, to see how my body will react to AAS. very good advice.

Should you decide to try AAS and have made your final decision to include an oral, i think this is one of the safest bets for a beginner based on my research NOT experience. *make sure you have a very good diet squared away BEFORE you start injections.

Good luck, and please start a thread and post updates of your progress.

1-10 Test E 500mg/wk (Inject 2 x Per Week ie; Mon/Thurs)
1-4 Dbol 40mg/ed (every day)
1-15 Aromasin 12.5mg/eod (ever other day)

PCT
12-13 Clomid 75mg/ed
14-15 Clomid 50mg/ed

What You Need
Testosterone Enanthate 250mg/ml - 10ml Vial x 2 Vials
Dbol 10mg Tabs - 50 Tabs x 3 packs
Clomid 50mg Tabs - 50 Tabs x 1 pack
Aromasin - 53 Tabs

[thex95]

I don't have ANY AAS experience. however, i have read until my eyes bled. I'm older than you but am about as new at this as you. This is what i am going to do for my first cycle. with the help i received here and elsewhere i believe this is a decent beginners cycle that INCLUDES an oral. Having said that, i am seriously considering Test E ONLY, as suggested here many times by the Vets/Pros, to see how my body will react to AAS. very good advice.

Should you decide to try AAS and have made your final decision to include an oral, i think this is one of the safest bets for a beginner based on my research NOT experience. *make sure you have a very good diet squared away BEFORE you start injections.

Good luck, and please start a thread and post updates of your progress.

1-10 Test E 500mg/wk (Inject 2 x Per Week ie; Mon/Thurs)
1-4 Dbol 40mg/ed (every day)
1-15 Aromasin 12.5mg/eod (ever other day)

PCT
12-13 Clomid 75mg/ed
14-15 Clomid 50mg/ed

What You Need
Testosterone Enanthate 250mg/ml - 10ml Vial x 2 Vials
Dbol 10mg Tabs - 50 Tabs x 3 packs
Clomid 50mg Tabs - 50 Tabs x 1 pack
Aromasin - 53 Tabs

No. No-one should advise someone else under the age of 24 how to run a cycle. It is un-ethical. The only advice I can give is that you should wait until your older. If I were to advise you how to run a cycle, and your HPTA got completley shut down at 20, I would feel awful. So just wait man, its your best choice.

[MickeyKnox]

Scott is correct. It's better to wait until you're t least 26 and you're doctrine system has fully developed.

BUT, if you're gonna go and try AAS REGARDLESS of what anyone says because you're stubborn, bull headed and are hell bent and determined...then yeah, do what i suggested. It seems to be the most popular first cycle that includes an oral D-Bol.

[Sgt. Hartman]

Your PCT is lacking as well. Clomid only is not ideal for a full rapid recovery. PCT should be tamox/clomid or tamox/tore. Do more reading in the pct forum.

[BrianG6]

Scott is correct. It's better to wait until you're t least 26 and you're doctrine system has fully developed.

BUT, if you're gonna go and try AAS REGARDLESS of what anyone says because you're stubborn, bull headed and are hell bent and determined...then yeah, do what i suggested. It seems to be the most popular first cycle that includes an oral D-Bol.

Ok mickey, ill take your advice on the dbol. So 40mg week 1-4? and how should i split this throughout the day because i believe dbol has a 3 to 5 hour half life? And also, I have 50mg tabs broken into four pieces. So I have 400 tabs of 12.5mg.

[BrianG6]

Your PCT is lacking as well. Clomid only is not ideal for a full rapid recovery. PCT should be tamox/clomid or tamox/tore. Do more reading in the pct forum.

Ok i'll definitely read into the pct forum and read more about tamox. I also have another question, is arimidex a good choice to fight gyno? Also, if I cannot get my hands on tamox would clomid/nolva be fine?

EDIT: well I just read the tamox is also known as nolva. Sorry for sounding like an idiot haha.

[Sgt. Hartman]

Read read read. Nolvadex is the name brand for tamoxifen which is a SERM. Arimidex is an aromatase inhibitor which prevents the conversion of testosterone to estrogen. It's run on cycle to prevent estrogenic sides. IMO exemestane is a better AI though.

[BrianG6]

Yeah I just read that tamox is known as nolvadex, I edited my last post. I was asking about the arimidex because my friend actually has some he is willing to sell to me. I will read up on exemestane though and decide from there. Would you recommend anything else for my cycle? Another thing, any suggestions on how to dose the arimidex or exemestane?

[Sgt. Hartman]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...o#.Tyy03ZhuHHg

[BrianG6]

After reading that I will definitely be adding an AI to my cycle. And it will probably be aromotase that I will be adding. Thanks for all the help!

[BrianG6]

One last question for you Sgt. Hartman if you don't mind. Could you maybe give me an idea of the gains I will see and how quickly I will see them? Thanks

[MickeyKnox]

Your gains largely depend on your diet (and genetics). Post your diet in the Nutrition section and people will help you with it. But don't expect them to count your macros! Do that yourself using FitDay.com

And yes, I would have some Nolva on hand to help combat gyno.

D-Bol dosing: I've chosen to do 20mg mid morning and mid day but you may have other advice to the contrary. Whatever your comfortable with i'm sure will be fine. You could easily split 12.5 +12.5 +12.5 three times a day for a total of 37.5 IF you don't feel comfortable attempting to split down a 12.5 to a 10. Also, fwiw, i'll also be using stane (Aromasin) over dex (Arimidex)

Stane, dex, nolva can be purchased through one of the TRUSTED forum sponsors AR-R

Good luck, and please start a thread outlining your final cycle, diet, and ongoing results with photos sans face if you like - inquiring minds want to know.

Mick