HELP!!.....im a beginner.

[GOON915]

i just wanted to know how to get started on my first cycle...................i might get a cycle of Winstrol or Super Test

i wanna know the main things about this so i wont **** up.......also what PCT should i get?

PLEAZE HELP.

[BigBadWolf]

i just wanted to know how to get started on my first cycle...................i might get a cycle of Winstrol or Super Test

i wanna know the main things about this so i wont **** up.......also what PCT should i get?

PLEAZE HELP.

Well the main thing would be wait about 5 years and ditch the winstrol. I think that sums it up. Glad I could help.

[thex95]

stats? age, height, weight, bf%. Lifts including bench, squat, deadlift

[GOON915]

stats? age, height, weight, bf%. Lifts including bench, squat, deadlift

20, 5'10, 220 lbs, i dont know my bf%, my max for bench is 190, and for squat 275, and not sure for dead lift..................i mainly wanna get cut, but still wanna be bigger than the usual people that are cut like track runners, soccer players, etc.......and i know everyone's gonna say im too young, but i dont plan on doing a bunch of cycles, just one or two.

...........i also wanted to know how i could tell if the stuff im getting is fake or not?.....and im not taking the pills.

[Razor]

[GOON915]

**** THE BULL SHIT ANSWERS!!.........im tired of hearing lame *****'s say your too young, or wait 5 years...........im tired of wasting my money, i just need some real good tips........i already wasted my money on some Wack Pro-hormones that didnt work for Shit, i didnt feel shit, i didnt get any gains, not even energy.........so im getting my hands on some real AAS, im either gonna get winstrol, deca or super test.

[Razor]

**** THE BULL SHIT ANSWERS!!.........im tired of hearing lame *****'s say your too young, or wait 5 years...........im tired of wasting my money, i just need some real good tips........i already wasted my money on some Wack Pro-hormones that didnt work for Shit, i didnt feel shit, i didnt get any gains, not even energy.........so im getting my hands on some real AAS, im either gonna get winstrol, deca or super test.

[Black Pharaoh]

**** THE BULL SHIT ANSWERS!!.........im tired of hearing lame *****'s say your too young, or wait 5 years...........im tired of wasting my money, i just need some real good tips........i already wasted my money on some Wack Pro-hormones that didnt work for Shit, i didnt feel shit, i didnt get any gains, not even energy.........so im getting my hands on some real AAS, im either gonna get winstrol, deca or super test.

Let me be straight with you man. I'm a paramedic and have been for years. No one is telling you you're too young because of your maturity level, or knowledge of Aas. The fact is at your age, your natural hormones haven't reached maturity levels yet, nor have they balanced out. Your natural test levels are high enough now enabling you to build an awesome natural body. Most bodybuilders jump on Aas when their growth has plateaued naturally. Take me, been training like crazy for 6 years, I'm 30 years old and have studied pharmacology for 3 years. I'm now 1 week into my first cycle ever. At the end of the day, you're going to do what you want. But no one on here is going to be responsible for advising you on your own destruction. As for PCT's nothing will help you at your age.

[Noles12]

**** THE BULL SHIT ANSWERS!!.........im tired of hearing lame *****'s say your too young, or wait 5 years...........im tired of wasting my money, i just need some real good tips........i already wasted my money on some Wack Pro-hormones that didnt work for Shit, i didnt feel shit, i didnt get any gains, not even energy.........so im getting my hands on some real AAS, im either gonna get winstrol, deca or super test.

Believe it or not a real good tip is for you to wait and focus on your diet and training. If you can not understand that AAS will do more harm than good the you are definitely no where near ready. Your response shows one of the main reasons why AAS use at 20 is not good and that is a lack of maturity.

[stpete]

^^^^Good response. You could really mess yourself up OP if you continue w/cycle.

[jbm]

You really need help bro....

[Times Roman]

Let me be straight with you man. I'm a paramedic and have been for years. No one is telling you you're too young because of your maturity level, or knowledge of Aas. The fact is at your age, your natural hormones haven't reached maturity levels yet, nor have they balanced out. Your natural test levels are high enough now enabling you to build an awesome natural body. Most bodybuilders jump on Aas when their growth has plateaued naturally. Take me, been training like crazy for 6 years, I'm 30 years old and have studied pharmacology for 3 years. I'm now 1 week into my first cycle ever. At the end of the day, you're going to do what you want. But no one on here is going to be responsible for advising you on your own destruction. As for PCT's nothing will help you at your age.

Damn good answer based on experienced and knowledge.

Would have to disagree with the last part. It can help. But just more chemicals screwing with the hormonal system. (better to not take aas at all til the mid 20's, if benefits outweigh risks.)

Almost like having to take uppers to get going in the morning, and downers to get to sleep at night.

Other than that, damn good advice

[titan13]

Life is a marathon man not a sprint. You sound pretty intense and no doubt you will be working out for a long time, the last thing you want to do is put your self in a position were you mess up your natural test and have to deal with it for the rest of your life. aas seams like such a easy way to get what you want but there is serious down sides possibly perminent down sides.

[HangTime]

This is my second cycle in 2 years. My first cycle looked just like this but with only 500mg test instead of 750. Just wondering what people think. I am in the gym anywhere from 4 to 6 days a week lifting and doing carido. My diet is not the best in the world but no where near the worst either. Trust me it is something i am working to get more consistent with. Below is my stats and the cycle i am looking to do. Just wondering what peoples thoughts are on it.

Stats:
6'1"
230
BF% 13-16

{Wk} {Test} {Winstrol} {Hcg}
1 {250/2.5 days (750mg/week)} {*} {500 IU/4 days}
2 {250/2.5 days (750mg/week)} {*} {500 IU/4 days}
3 {250/2.5 days (750mg/week)} {*} {500 IU/4 days}
4 {250/2.5 days (750mg/week)} {50/day} {500 IU/4 days}
5 {250/2.5 days (750mg/week)} {50/day} {500 IU/4 days}
6 {250/2.5 days (750mg/week)} {50/day} {500 IU/4 days}
7 {250/2.5 days (750mg/week)} {50/day} {500 IU/4 days}
8 {250/2.5 days (750mg/week)} {50/day} {500 IU/4 days}
9 {250/2.5 days (750mg/week)} {50/day} {500 IU/4 days}
10 {250/2.5 days (750mg/week)} {50/day} {500 IU/4 days}
11 {250/2.5 days (750mg/week)} {*} {500 IU/4 days}
12 {250/2.5 days (750mg/week)} {*} {500 IU/4 days}

{PCT}
Days {Clomid} {Tomax}
Day 1 {250mg/day} {60mg/day}
Day 2-11 {100mg/day} {40mg/day}
Days 12-21 {50mg/day} {20mg/day}

[j4ever41]

20, 5'10, 220 lbs, i dont know my bf%, my max for bench is 190, and for squat 275, and not sure for dead lift..................i mainly wanna get cut, but still wanna be bigger than the usual people that are cut like track runners, soccer players, etc.......and i know everyone's gonna say im too young, but i dont plan on doing a bunch of cycles, just one or two.

...........i also wanted to know how i could tell if the stuff im getting is fake or not?.....and im not taking the pills.

it always starts with i just want to do 1 or 2 cycles,how long have you been training,i think not long, your lift numbers are weak for your weight,you need to have a few good years of training and diet under your belt and you will go much further,AAS is not going to be a maricle for you,like others have said you can mess yourself up,im sure you dont want to be on TRT for the next 50 years!400 viewing diet section over 3700 viewing this section,peeps will continue to learn the hardway.

[GOON915]

it always starts with i just want to do 1 or 2 cycles,how long have you been training,i think not long, your lift numbers are weak for your weight,you need to have a few good years of training and diet under your belt and you will go much further,AAS is not going to be a maricle for you,like others have said you can mess yourself up,im sure you dont want to be on TRT for the next 50 years!400 viewing diet section over 3700 viewing this section,peeps will continue to learn the hardway.

True, but i know at least 7 people that have done one cycle of either deca , winstrol , super test and have gotten great results and there all the same age AS ME , they didnt get any bad side effects , they were all small compared to me now there way bigger..........some of them even started using it like in 10th grade, and nothing's wrong with them

[gixxerboy1]

True, but i know at least 7 people that have done one cycle of either deca , winstrol , super test and have gotten great results and there all the same age AS ME , they didnt get any bad side effects , they were all small compared to me now there way bigger..........some of them even started using it like in 10th grade, and nothing's wrong with them

cause they would tell you if they couldnt get their dick hard? And there can be alot of damage that they are unaware of

[j4ever41]

everyone is just telling what is in your best interest as far as your health is concerned,end the end its your body so do as you will

[GOON915]

everyone is just telling what is in your best interest as far as your health is concerned,end the end its your body so do as you will

i thought roids were mainly to give you an advantage in the gym?.....i bet arnold schwarzenegger and many other body builders or atheletes started juicing it around my age..........................well, im gonna start my Winstrol cycle, any one know a good legal PCT that i could get online?....................

[lovbyts]

True, but i know at least 7 people that have done one cycle of either deca , winstrol , super test and have gotten great results and there all the same age AS ME , they didnt get any bad side effects , they were all small compared to me now there way bigger..........some of them even started using it like in 10th grade, and nothing's wrong with them

How many of your friends or acquaintances are you going to tell you cant get your dick hard? Do you think they are going to tell you the negatives? It's funny that something like 60% of men have some sort of ED issue by age 60 but no one I know has ever told me they did, why? because guys dont talk about stuff like they. They are not going to tell you any of the bad, only the good.

If you focus on diet you can have just as good of gains without the other worries. Sometimes it takes months of even yeas for side effects to show up and you may never associate the 2.

i thought roids were mainly to give you an advantage in the gym?.....i bet arnold schwarzenegger and many other body builders or atheletes started juicing it around my age..........................well, im gonna start my Winstrol cycle, any one know a good legal PCT that i could get online?....................

Another but Arnold did it. And for every 1 Arnold success story there are 1000s of FAILED stories. What makes you different? We hear it all day long every day and also we hear all the people/kids asking for help afterward due to failure and we only hear probably 1% because most dont come back because we all said told you so...

A legal PCT is called Flintstones vitamins. Anything legal/OTC is going to be garbage and not do you any good. Either listen and learn or choose to make your own mistakes.

[John Andrew]

I am new here but I am an older man and have trained for 32 years, for the first 25 years I used nothing and slowly improved, I am and have always been a power lifter, all my friends are similar to myself in our thoughts . We Believe you should not use any substances until you have reached your absolute peak naturally. If you are very gifted that may be 5 to 7 years. Do not use anything until you finished developing naturally, the weighs you are lifting would be fine if they were Kilograms, to be big you must be strong. I have had 100's of young guys say they want to be big and/or strong, I have had them train with me and only 1 or 2% of them keep it up for more than a week or a month. Training and diet are the basis for a great body. Not steroids. They come in when you are already as good as you can possibly be.
Do not listen to so called friends, get knowledge from reputable sources. My friends and training partners over the years included Mr Universes, Mr Australia's, and world Champion lifters. Would you believe we never even talk about our own usage,or our suppliers. We never give advice about steroids to others in the gym, none of us want to be responsible for a young mans possible ill health or even death! The standard answer to the most common question in the gym which is "how do you get so strong or so big"? TRAIN HARD EVERY DAY. DIET, AND DEVOTE 10 YEARS OF YOUR LIFE TO DOING IT! Then you will be ready to decide what to use.

[GOON915]

How many of your friends or acquaintances are you going to tell you cant get your dick hard? Do you think they are going to tell you the negatives? It's funny that something like 60% of men have some sort of ED issue by age 60 but no one I know has ever told me they did, why? because guys dont talk about stuff like they. They are not going to tell you any of the bad, only the good.

If you focus on diet you can have just as good of gains without the other worries. Sometimes it takes months of even yeas for side effects to show up and you may never associate the 2.


Another but Arnold did it. And for every 1 Arnold success story there are 1000s of FAILED stories. What makes you different? We hear it all day long every day and also we hear all the people/kids asking for help afterward due to failure and we only hear probably 1% because most dont come back because we all said told you so...

A legal PCT is called Flintstones vitamins. Anything legal/OTC is going to be garbage and not do you any good. Either listen and learn or choose to make your own mistakes.

Indeed, i decided to wait until i get to atleast 10% BF or lower...................i also wanted to know if a PCT is needed for clenbuterol?

[alexISthrowed]

You should work on your diet instead of jumping to clen use. I wouldn't use the stuff if I didn't compete it's nasty.

[GOON915]

You should work on your diet instead of jumping to clen use. I wouldn't use the stuff if I didn't compete it's nasty.

whats nasty about it?............i really wanna look good by the time it's summer thats why.

[Noles12]

whats nasty about it?............i really wanna look good by the time it's summer thats why.

It can give serious sides and is not some miracle drug

[Times Roman]

whats nasty about it?............i really wanna look good by the time it's summer thats why.

mate,
for me, clen is nasty also.
why?

first, you should only use it for two weeks, so only good for the final last 1/2% BF that won't come off otherwise.
second, it increases BP and heart rate
third, it makes me irritable and gives me the shakes

like any corticol steroid, it's really some nasty shit.