sub q vs IM injections

[cyounger100]

I am bout too start another cycle after a year break i will be using a test prop /cyp blend for 12 weeks . My question is why cant you just inject sub q for your weekly injections over IM injections is there a certain reason i have heard of a few people doin it is it okay .I know the oil would be really really tough too get out of an insulin needle though .

[xelnaga]

After speaking to Bass from the Trt section I have been switching between IM and sub q. I dont bother with insulin needles. I just use a regular needle, most of the time you cant even feel it. The only issue I have had is once I had pocket of oil in my belly from a sub q that took weeks to go away.

[BBrian]

I would imagine you would also want to be careful about exercising after injecting subcutaneously, as it seems like there could be a greater risk of sweating bringing the oil to the skin and therefore rendering some of the compound unusable. Or am I just letting theory get the better of me here?

[cyounger100]

does it enter blood stream right away injecting sub q i would asume it would take a lil while too absorb and what would happen if like the other post says the oil just stays there in a bubble and never absorbs that has my concern

[xelnaga]

I would imagine you would also want to be careful about exercising after injecting subcutaneously, as it seems like there could be a greater risk of sweating bringing the oil to the skin and therefore rendering some of the compound unusable. Or am I just letting theory get the better of me here?

Not a risk worth worrying about. Human physiology is a bit more complicated than that .

[xelnaga]

does it enter blood stream right away injecting sub q i would asume it would take a lil while too absorb and what would happen if like the other post says the oil just stays there in a bubble and never absorbs that has my concern

No. It does not enter the blood stream right away. IM is the fastest way to get it into the blood stream then comes sub q. Even if it takes awhile it will eventually absorb.

[Ashop]

Until I see more proof and research I'm sticking with IM.

[cyounger100]

Until I see more proof and research I'm sticking with IM.

yep i think i will have too do the same def am not goin too be the guniea pig lol not near enough info on it

[FONZY007]

I inject sub q but it's only trt amount so its 1/4cc twice per week, but if it's more I will Inject IM

[hankdiesel]

This is an interesting thread. I've never heard of anyone injecting aas sub q. I didn't even know it could be done. I'll be sticking to IM though.

[xelnaga]

This is an interesting thread. I've never heard of anyone injecting aas sub q. I didn't even know it could be done. I'll be sticking to IM though.

I spend time in the TRT section. Reason being that those guys have a ton of knowledge relating to testosterone, and have access to doctors on a regular bases. Member Bass is the Yoda of trt.

[ramacher]

I would never inject more than a cc, as previous posts said before me it can build up and form a 'pocket' of oil. Otherwise if you do just inject in multiple spots. I can get away with a special BD 30 gauge needle that is 1 inch long.

[cyounger100]

I would never inject more than a cc, as previous posts said before me it can build up and form a 'pocket' of oil. Otherwise if you do just inject in multiple spots. I can get away with a special BD 30 gauge needle that is 1 inch long.

and u have no problem getting the oil out of it ?/

[BBrian]

I have a hard time understanding the benefits of injecting AAS subq. As many sites as there are to inject IM, why settle for a less effective method of injecting?

[jasc]

I have a hard time understanding the benefits of injecting AAS subq. As many sites as there are to inject IM, why settle for a less effective method of injecting?

Dr. Crisler along with a few other top TRT doc's dabble with this sub-q protocol. Ideally they administer smaller doses more frequently resulting in less aromatization and fewer sides with no AI.

This method seems to be pretty popular on a few other popular BB boards for cycling. Honestly it is kind of intriguing, but shooting short esters 1cc+ ED sub-q seems like it would cause a build-up due to decreased absorption.
If my oil wasn't soo thick, I'd give it a shot.

[SEOINAGE]

I have a hard time understanding the benefits of injecting AAS subq. As many sites as there are to inject IM, why settle for a less effective method of injecting?

You really think the slower absorption makes it less effective? or do you have some other reason to believe it is less effective. I don't see why you wouldn't see the benefits, can use a smaller needle, less pain during and after shot. can shoot more frequently without the im scar tissue issues. correct me if I am wrong as i have never done this, but seems like some pretty good benefits.

[BBrian]

You really think the slower absorption makes it less effective? or do you have some other reason to believe it is less effective. I don't see why you wouldn't see the benefits, can use a smaller needle, less pain during and after shot. can shoot more frequently without the im scar tissue issues. correct me if I am wrong as i have never done this, but seems like some pretty good benefits.

Well, most importantly it occurs to me that the absorption is more effective when administered deep within the muscle as opposed to on top of it. When injecting subq, you're simply using a different method to get the compound into your muscle, so why not just go straight into the muscle and skip this step? It seems like it's just one step short of using a topical solution. As for using a smaller needle and avoiding pain, this isn't an issue for me. I use a 23g needle in both glutes, three different places on each thigh, and each delt. Consequently scar tissue should not be an issue for me either, nor is injection frequency. I can shoot every day if I want to and I'm only going back to a previously used site every ten days.

[FONZY007]

Dr. Crisler along with a few other top TRT doc's dabble with this sub-q protocol. Ideally they administer smaller doses more frequently resulting in less aromatization and fewer sides with no AI.

This method seems to be pretty popular on a few other popular BB boards for cycling. Honestly it is kind of intriguing, but shooting short esters 1cc+ ED sub-q seems like it would cause a build-up due to decreased absorption.
If my oil wasn't soo thick, I'd give it a shot.

You guys both have valid points. I use a Trt amount twice per week a slin poke and move on I don't even rub it cuz I get no lump. But I have tried 1 cc before and I did get a lump which took 3 to 4 weeks to go away..

[xelnaga]

You guys both have valid points. I use a Trt amount twice per week a slin poke and move on I don't even rub it cuz I get no lump. But I have tried 1 cc before and I did get a lump which took 3 to 4 weeks to go away..

Same experience I had. I still have a 1cc lump in my belly from about 8 days ago. Not a big deal, however I know if theres a lump of oil its not getting absorbed. Consequently it will cause some disruption in my blood levels.

[JohnnyVegas]

I am open to the sub-q injection of TRT doses, but cannot imagine daily injections of a higher volume cycle dose.

[FONZY007]

^^^ true that!!

[cyounger100]

I am open to the sub-q injection of TRT doses, but cannot imagine daily injections of a higher volume cycle dose.

so if i am only injecting 200 mgs twice a week then it would be ideal too shoot sub q then since its a low amount

[Brickhouse]

so if i am only injecting 200 mgs twice a week then it would be ideal too shoot sub q then since its a low amount

TRT dose for Test is around 150mg every 5 days bud. I dont know how well 200mg twice a week would work.....I will PM Bass and ask him to check this thread out as he is the guru!

[FONZY007]

so if i am only injecting 200 mgs twice a week then it would be ideal too shoot sub q then since its a low amount

I inject 60 mgs every 3.5 days, you mean 100mgs twice per week?

[cyounger100]

[QUOTE=FONZY007;5891535]I inject 60 mgs every 3.5 days, you mean 100mgs twice per week?[/QUOTE
yes i would be injecting 200 mg on monday and 200 on thursday

[JohnnyVegas]

^^^^ Is it dosed at 200mg/ml? If so, that sounds doable from a volume perspective...I guess. Let us know how it goes. :-)

I was talkin about, for example, needing to inject 1.5ml per day. That doesn't seem to be a good fit.

Still, no sub-q for me until it becomes very common and preferred by my doctor.

[FONZY007]

I personally haven't tried 1cc of oil as sub q, most I did was 1/2cc with no issues.. Sorry but Bass might of had he is in the trt/ hrt section

[bass]

guru, yoda! if i am yoda then GDevine is a GOD! LOL!

okay, many of you pretty much got the idea, everyone is different but for me i find 60 mgs doe SQ is the most i would do, anything more it has to be IM. you can take care of the lump if you massage the are for about 1 minute after injection. i alternate between SQ and IM depending on my mood. there is an excellent post by GDevine regarding the benefits of SQ, I'll find it and post it here!

Fonz, i never done anything more than 60 mgs SQ, i can't imagine the kind of lump I'd get with that dose! LOL!

Also, i got the idea to do SQ from GDevine, and i am glad i did! GD is the real guru/yoda when it comes to TRT, many great knowledgeable guys in the TRT section, many of them put many doctors to shame when it comes to TRT knowledge!

[FONZY007]

guru, yoda! if i am yoda then GDevine is a GOD! LOL!

okay, many of you pretty much got the idea, everyone is different but for me i find 60 mgs doe SQ is the most i would do, anything more it has to be IM. you can take care of the lump if you massage the are for about 1 minute after injection. i alternate between SQ and IM depending on my mood. there is an excellent post by GDevine regarding the benefits of SQ, I'll find it and post it here!

Fonz, i never done anything more than 60 mgs SQ, i can't imagine the kind of lump I'd get with that dose! LOL!

Also, i got the idea to do SQ from GDevine, and i am glad i did! GD is the real guru/yoda when it comes to TRT, many great knowledgeable guys in the TRT section, many of them put many doctors to shame when it comes to TRT knowledge!

Amen!!

[cyounger100]

guru, yoda! if i am yoda then GDevine is a GOD! LOL!

okay, many of you pretty much got the idea, everyone is different but for me i find 60 mgs doe SQ is the most i would do, anything more it has to be IM. you can take care of the lump if you massage the are for about 1 minute after injection. i alternate between SQ and IM depending on my mood. there is an excellent post by GDevine regarding the benefits of SQ, I'll find it and post it here!

Fonz, i never done anything more than 60 mgs SQ, i can't imagine the kind of lump I'd get with that dose! LOL!

Also, i got the idea to do SQ from GDevine, and i am glad i did! GD is the real guru/yoda when it comes to TRT, many great knowledgeable guys in the TRT section, many of them put many doctors to shame when it comes to TRT knowledge!

thanks what i needed too hear IM for me then

[kelkel]

I rotate between sq and im every 3.5 days. 60 mg per injection. Never a problem, never a lump, just inject slow, real slow. I could envision maybe 100mg but never 200mg. Less injected = less spike in E2 is the basic theory behind it. When your on trt for life you start to look for other places to inject (like when you in a bar full of hot women.) It's good to have options. Loading with a slin pin is time consuming though. I will also drop down to a 27ga 1/2" and change tips for sq.

It's not marketed for sq as it was not approved by the fda for such a purpose. Which is only due to it costing the manufacturers twice as much for their testing/clinical trials, etc.

[bass]

as promised, here is the link posted by GDevine regarding the benefits of SQ injection!

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...56#post5757556