Please suggest a cycle

[Nukleuz]

Hi Guys,

I would like some suggestions on a cycle.

Firstly my specs:

Im 28 years old, been training for the last 10 yeas consistently.
Im 5;57" and I'm weighing at the moment 172 pounds.
The last time I took my bf% was in De***ber but i am estimating im around 12 %.

My goals:

I am looking at picking up only about 10 pound of lean mass. I have my diet planned out
and my training schedule down. I would like a product that is not going to make me retain
water and blow my up like a balloon. I would also like to lean out some more , so cutting would
be a good thing!

My previous experience:

I have been on only one oral anabolic cycle before, and I saw some amazing results, my strength gains were insane, Picked up some clean weight and became hard as a rock.
I know the orals are hell bad for you, so I'm ready to go the spiking route :O
I have also done a Clen , T3 , Keto cycle. ( not sure if that counts :P )


I would really like to keep the sides to a minimum.

I look forward to the suggestions of the master minds on the forum.

[buster12]

You could try 2ml test e per week for 12 weeks (1ml twice a week)
you will hold water on this cycle
Not worth mixing it with anything else for your first IM cycle
Get some clomid and Nolva for pct week 14 to 16

[yeabuddy]

thats if his test is 250mg/ml

what if its lower or higher?

do 500mg/week split into 2 injections...most of the time that comes out to 2ml/week but some sources dose their test differently. read up on some of the educational threads and you'll have a better idea what to run/how to run it.

[buster12]

Most test e is 250mg per ml
I normally use 750mg per week mixed with Tren E
I have frontloaded cycles 4ml test and 2 ml tren weekly, its horses for courses

Under 500mg per week wont do much
1st cycle normally between 500 to 750mg per week

Hope this helps

[leather daddy]

test

[Nukleuz]

Thanks for the info guys.

So i would be looking at about a 12 week cycle.
What test would you suggest that is going to limit the sides, and
like i said, retain the least amount of water.
Or is there something I can stack with it to counter that stuff?

[warren916]

I would suggest this...dbol you can drop if you dont want..
Its always a good idea to have estrogen blocker (AI) just in case you have a gyno flare.

Cycle

Test Enanthate 500-600mg/weeks 1-12 weeks
Dianabol 30mg/day 1-5 weeks


For Estrogen Blocker use either... Letrozol is very powerful

Aromasin 25mg/day, or more if needed
Letro 1.25-2.5mg/day, as needed

For PCT

Nolvadex 40mg/weeks 14-20
Clomid 50mg/weeks 14-20

[Nukleuz]

Thanks for this Warren!
I really appreciate the input!

This looks good.

Just a couple of questions.

For the test enanthate , Would a dosage of 250mg , twice a week be sufficient?

For the estrogen blocker, having gyno scared the CRAP outta me, so i really don't want
skimp on this, is the Letro an injectable as well, or is that an oral?

The PCT, which would you recommend, the Nolvadex or Clomid ?

Thanks in advance for all the advice!

[stpete]

Test e twice a week is your best bet. You should use both nolva AND clomid for PCT.

[Nukleuz]

For PCT

Nolvadex 40mg/weeks 14-20
Clomid 50mg/weeks 14-20

So is it 40mg everyday for 6 weeks
and 50mg everyday for 6 weeks ?

[felk87]

You need an ai, not just for gyno but to control estrogen levels and all related sides from high estrogen, dont start your cycle until you have everything planned out with all the compounds already in hand. (Test e, ai, hcg , nolva, clomid)

[Nukleuz]

Thanks Felk,

I am plannign on getting everything i need for the entire cycle.

no one before has mentioned an HCG though?
Do you recommend that?

Will come up with a schedule tonight and post it for review

[felk87]

Thanks Felk,

I am plannign on getting everything i need for the entire cycle.

no one before has mentioned an HCG though?
Do you recommend that?

Will come up with a schedule tonight and post it for review

Yeah, i was running test e only currently on week 5 and my boys were leaving the sack slowly, i started hcg last week 250iuxs 2pw and i am seeing and feeling them come back already. And its recommended to aid with faster recovery and being able to hold better chances.of keeping more gains. Its cheap and its smart to add the compound to the cycle.

[BBrian]

Felk - good to see that HCG is working so fast for you.

Nukleuz - Taking an aromatase inhibitor will take care of your bloating concerns. You have Aromasin , Arimidex , and Letrozole to choose from. Most people agree that Aromasin is the most preferred due to the least amount of toxicity and sides, whereas Letrozole is at the polar opposite of this. And as you may have guessed, Arimidex lies right in the middle of those two in these regards. I have personally only ever taken Arimidex and it has always served me well. Each of these AI's bear differences in potency, and as such, are taken in different doses for effectiveness.

[Nukleuz]

Thanks again for all the advice, after a lot more reading Ive come up with this cycle.


Please let me know if you guys think this is a safe cycle, and if you would change anything.
The only thing I am unsure about is the hcg . What is a good brand to use, and what are the dosages?


Cycle

Test Enanthate 500mg weeks 1-12 weeks

Dianabol 30mg/day 1-5 weeks

Nolvadex 10mg – 1-5 weeks

Proviron 50mg/day, 1 – 12 weeks


For PCT

Nolvadex 40mg/ 14-20
Clomid 50mg/weeks 14-20


P.S. I read that taking the Nolva through weeks 1-5 will keep the bloat from the Dianabol in check, is that correct?


Looking forward to your replies!

[warren916]

Are you listening to these guys?? Or me...

You need a REAL estrogen blocker...Nolvadex isnt gonna cut it during your cycle..

Like i said before, get Aromasin , Arimidex , or Letrozole to run DURING your cycle to get the estrogen (which causes bloating) under control..

You dont need proviron either, waste of money..

You dont need HCG with such a lite cycle, but you can use it if you choose..