First 'cycle'

[nikalexopoulos]

Hey guys. I posted a while back about low test. So i start TRT soon, im 18. Would there be any reasons why i shouldnt consider 'blasting' or 'cycling' considering i wont be needing natty test anymore? Thanks in advance

[auswest]

Is this something your doc is doing with you or have you taken it upon urself to make this decision, given your age the later is the likely..... STOP what you are doing!!

[stpete]

Trt @ 18?

[cro]

seems fishy....

[Dr Pepper]

WOW just WOW! I hope you haven't just self diagnosed

[Honkey_Kong]

Hey guys. I posted a while back about low test. So i start TRT soon, im 18. Would there be any reasons why i shouldnt consider 'blasting' or 'cycling' considering i wont be needing natty test anymore? Thanks in advance

TRT at 18? If a doctor put you on that, you need to go get a second opinion ASAP. Nobody want to be on TRT unless they have to be.

[nikalexopoulos]

Haha yea i shouldve been more clear. Been to a doctor and 2 endocrinologists. So no im not self diagnosing. Ive been naturally bodybuilding for 2 years and i never ever wanted to use any foreign substance if i didnt have to. I wouldve been put on TRT earlier but i wanted to wait to exhaust other options. Now that i am going on should i stick to 200mg every 10 days? Sust 250 btw. I was thinking of splitting that up to 125 every 5 days too?

[Honkey_Kong]

Haha yea i shouldve been more clear. Been to a doctor and 2 endocrinologists. So no im not self diagnosing. Ive been naturally bodybuilding for 2 years and i never ever wanted to use any foreign substance if i didnt have to. I wouldve been put on TRT earlier but i wanted to wait to exhaust other options. Now that i am going on should i stick to 200mg every 10 days? Sust 250 btw. I was thinking of splitting that up to 125 every 5 days too?

What is wrong with you that they put you on trt?

[Noles12]

Haha yea i shouldve been more clear. Been to a doctor and 2 endocrinologists. So no im not self diagnosing. Ive been naturally bodybuilding for 2 years and i never ever wanted to use any foreign substance if i didnt have to. I wouldve been put on TRT earlier but i wanted to wait to exhaust other options. Now that i am going on should i stick to 200mg every 10 days? Sust 250 btw. I was thinking of splitting that up to 125 every 5 days too?

What other options have you exhausted so far?

[gixxerboy1]

Haha yea i shouldve been more clear. Been to a doctor and 2 endocrinologists. So no im not self diagnosing. Ive been naturally bodybuilding for 2 years and i never ever wanted to use any foreign substance if i didnt have to. I wouldve been put on TRT earlier but i wanted to wait to exhaust other options. Now that i am going on should i stick to 200mg every 10 days? Sust 250 btw. I was thinking of splitting that up to 125 every 5 days too?

follow exactly what the doctors say. It may take some time to get dosage right and you may possibly need an ai. So you will need follow up bloodwork. you don't want to mess with any of that. Also if you have low test you will see some gains just getting your levels in the normal range.

[nikalexopoulos]

I have low total test. Range 280-800 im at 300. Should be higher obviously. I have tried lame natural test boosters, diet manipulation and i went a month without training with constant check up (bloodwork) etc to see if it helped. My bext option that i thought of that the endo considered was HCG injections? But i figured as soon as that stopped id be back down to 300 anyway? Im all ears to any suggestions. Honesty i dont want to go on TRT. I love natural bodybuilding and im scared of things like infertility. So i would love to try other avenues first

[nikalexopoulos]

follow exactly what the doctors say. It may take some time to get dosage right and you may possibly need an ai. So you will need follow up bloodwork. you don't want to mess with any of that. Also if you have low test you will see some gains just getting your levels in the normal range.

At low doses an ai is still necesary? Wont this dosage just shoot me to the top of the range?

[gixxerboy1]

At low doses an ai is still necesary? Wont this dosage just shoot me to the top of the range?

everyone is different. Look in the trt forum. Alot of the guys use a low dose of an ai also

[nikalexopoulos]

everyone is different. Look in the trt forum. Alot of the guys use a low dose of an ai also

Ok thanks. Il hit the search around there. Appreciate ur input

[magicstick2003]

I thought docs generally only used test E or C for the most part. I've never heard of one prescribing Sust., learn something new everyday!!

[nikalexopoulos]

I thought docs generally only used test E or C for the most part. I've never heard of one prescribing Sust., learn something new everyday!!

I thought that too. I live in australia. So we probs do things differently here haha

[nikalexopoulos]

This may sound retarded, so please correct me if in wrong- my low test was brought about by extreme dieting and insomnia (most likely) as it was never low before any of this. I was at 640 for total test wen i was 16 now im at 300. Subsequent to really poor poor diet choice wen trimming down (no fats, no carbs) and i had a spell of insomnia for 3 weeks. If i pumped some nolva or clomid could that possibly increase my natty test and it may stay relatively high? Possibly leaving me where i was in the past?

[auswest]

I call bs, if your doc and endos are suggesting this then I don't see why your on here talking about doses ect, you would be doing exactly what they tell you..don't be retarded kid this will be the most stupid decision you have made....

[Albanian]

I don't understand why anyone would need help with dosage if one is prescribed by a doctor.

[Scat40]

Low test. You could try some natural ways to increase T.

[redz]

At 18 there is still a chance things haven`t fully developped yet, seems strange any doc would go to this extreme at that age.

[Scat40]

Low test. You could try some natural ways to increase T.

[nikalexopoulos]

I call bs, if your doc and endos are suggesting this then I don't see why your on here talking about doses ect, you would be doing exactly what they tell you..don't be retarded kid this will be the most stupid decision you have made....

Mate if u think im lying then dont comment. I just finished year 12 in the top 3% in the country. Im not stupid. And im not talking sh*t. I asked about blasting/cycling while on trt im not asking whether to go on trt or not

[nikalexopoulos]

Thats why i asked if there was any other natural ways to fix it. I can take a photo of my results/referals if anyone doesnt believe me? Haha i dont see why people are trying to call me out on lying. Im not.

[auswest]

Thats why i asked if there was any other natural ways to fix it. I can take a photo of my results/referals if anyone doesnt believe me? Haha i dont see why people are trying to call me out on lying. Im not.

Well then ur doctors are retards for suggesting this you are 18...... You have approx 7 years till your hormones have settled, who in there right mind would put you on synthetic testosterone at 18... This really makes 0 sense... Kid give up on the blood work and get checked again at 25..

[nikalexopoulos]

Maybe i havnt been clear enough. Questions are:
1- ca. I do anything thats not life long, i.e nolvadex for a few weeks to lift my levels, other natural things?
2- if im stuck on trt, are there any problems with balsting?

[auswest]

No I think you have been quite clear. But you do not want to listen, you're 18 no one is going to suggest taking any steroids or hormone altering products... Chill the fk out you are 18 look into this further when your body has developed (25 onwards) in the mean time work on your diet sleep and training all will have positive effects on your hormone levels.

[nikalexopoulos]

No I think you have been quite clear. But you do not want to listen, you're 18 no one is going to suggest taking any steroids or hormone altering products... Chill the fk out you are 18 look into this further when your body has developed (25 onwards) in the mean time work on your diet sleep and training all will have positive effects on your hormone levels.

Ur acting like a complete gimp mate. U can have low test at any age. U dont just 'wait' to see if it fixes itself. If you like i can give u my endo's contact details and u can ask her. I didnt make the decision. In fact i am holding back, waiting for other options before starting.

[auswest]

How about you take that number of your endos and you call them and sort it out with them.....no one on here is going to tell you what you WANT to hear.

If you want real advice throw her number in the bin eat sleep lift right and think about it When you are DEVELOPED! you're still a child.. Mentally and phisically...

[xo3et]

Hi nikalexopoulos,

May I ask do you feel tired, sleeping or any symptoms related to low test levels?

I would wait until you fully understand all options before begining TRT, as you know its a step that is going to be with you for the rest of your life and can bring along other unwanted problems.

[nikalexopoulos]

How about you take that number of your endos and you call them and sort it out with them.....no one on here is going to tell you what you WANT to hear.

If you want real advice throw her number in the bin eat sleep lift right and think about it When you are DEVELOPED! you're still a child.. Mentally and phisically...

U havnt even considered the questions i asked? I asked if there was anything i can do naturally before i resort to trt? I asked it multiple times yet u continue to try and belittle me based on my age? Physically my body is not ready for large amounts of exogenous testosterone. Mentally im probably more capable of anything than u mate

[nikalexopoulos]

Hi nikalexopoulos,

May I ask do you feel tired, sleeping or any symptoms related to low test levels?

I would wait until you fully understand all options before begining TRT, as you know its a step that is going to be with you for the rest of your life and can bring along other unwanted problems.

Thanks for the reply. Yes those symptoms are what lead me to do original blood tests, as well as loss of sex drive. Again i dont want to go on trt and i am open to suggestions that may help. But i have already tried resting more and diet manipulation

[magicstick2003]

What is the reason the doctors found you to have low T (what's causing it). Other than some kind of developmental issue or maybe even a traumatic testicular injury leading to loss of both I can't see too many reasons why an 18 year old would have such low T. Or there could be something that you left out. Did u mess with PHs? already took a cycle?

As you said in one post you think it could be diet and sleep related. My suggestion would be to fix those two things because if they were the cause getting those fixed would essentially reverse the low T. ANything other than a metabolic condition or trauma would be essentially reversible. I just feel something seems a little off with the whole scenario. Maybe some more doctor consults would be helpful.

[nikalexopoulos]

What is the reason the doctors found you to have low T (what's causing it). Other than some kind of developmental issue or maybe even a traumatic testicular injury leading to loss of both I can't see too many reasons why an 18 year old would have such low T. Or there could be something that you left out. Did u mess with PHs? already took a cycle?

As you said in one post you think it could be diet and sleep related. My suggestion would be to fix those two things because if they were the cause getting those fixed would essentially reverse the low T. ANything other than a metabolic condition or trauma would be essentially reversible. I just feel something seems a little off with the whole scenario. Maybe some more doctor consults would be helpful.

I dieted for a comp a year ago and did it all wrong. Cutting all carbs and fats for 8 weeks which really messed things up, then just afterwards i had a bad stint of insomnia. I have never used any PH's or cycled anything. But the doctors put it down to the extreme dieting and extended period of sleep loss. Thats pretty mich it

[magicstick2003]

I dieted for a comp a year ago and did it all wrong. Cutting all carbs and fats for 8 weeks which really messed things up, then just afterwards i had a bad stint of insomnia. I have never used any PH's or cycled anything. But the doctors put it down to the extreme dieting and extended period of sleep loss. Thats pretty mich it

honestly sounds a bit odd to me. being so young even if this truly were the case, once things were corrected (diet and sleep) it would lead me to believe the problem would correct itself over time. Honestly I think you need to see a different doc. I think they may be missing something else. It just doesn't seem like those two things would lead to a permanent lowered testosterone levels that couldn't be corrected. Although both of those can lead to lowered testosterone levels I have never heard of them leading to permanently low T levels. Like I said before something that would lead to permanent low T would be more like a hypothalamus issues, or an endocrine issue, or trauma to testes, or a tumor (extreme example). Just doesn't add up that diet and insomnia a year ago permanently disrupted your testosterone levels...Maybe someone else can chime in with some input as perhaps, I'm way off and this could cause such a drastic problem....

[nikalexopoulos]

honestly sounds a bit odd to me. being so young even if this truly were the case, once things were corrected (diet and sleep) it would lead me to believe the problem would correct itself over time. Honestly I think you need to see a different doc. I think they may be missing something else. It just doesn't seem like those two things would lead to a permanent lowered testosterone levels that couldn't be corrected. Although both of those can lead to lowered testosterone levels I have never heard of them leading to permanently low T levels. Like I said before something that would lead to permanent low T would be more like a hypothalamus issues, or an endocrine issue, or trauma to testes, or a tumor (extreme example). Just doesn't add up that diet and insomnia a year ago permanently disrupted your testosterone levels...Maybe someone else can chime in with some input as perhaps, I'm way off and this could cause such a drastic problem....

I really appreciate the time uve taken to reply. I will consult another set of doctors for advice. Ive moved down south to a big city, im sure il find someone here that can help out. Thanks magic

[Bill_boy2005]

I don't understand why anyone would need help with dosage if one is prescribed by a doctor.

Because the average Dr prescribing trt is ignorant to what a proper protocol looks like. They either under or over medicate, have weeks as opposed to days between injections, and don't understand an AI or hcg. Thankfully I came on here and learned something about trt before my urologist ****ed me up worse than what she already has.

I had a total test level of 37. She started biweekly injections which got me to a whopping 357. I changed to weekly based in advice here and it raised to 450 with a few less side. Went to a better Dr do twice weekly injections and hcg and am now at 972. With less testosterone being injected total. My IGF-1 levels also came up when I got my other hormone levels fixed and stabilized with more frequent injections. Actually to a point above normal range for growth hormones. I also found my shriveled testicles again, can have an orgasm, and am back to enjoying sex. Trust me, the average Dr doesn't know how to treat it. The OP is smart to be here learning. With all that being said, I do think he's short sided at 18 and needs to do more testing before making a life long decision. If he hasn't identified being primary or secondary hypogonadic and doesn't ha r a lot of blood work fir review, he likely hasn't been to the right Dr yet. For me that required a flight from UT to Lansing to see Dr. Crisler.

[nikalexopoulos]

Because the average Dr prescribing trt is ignorant to what a proper protocol looks like. They either under or over medicate, have weeks as opposed to days between injections, and don't understand an AI or hcg. Thankfully I came on here and learned something about trt before my urologist ****ed me up worse than what she already has.

I had a total test level of 37. She started biweekly injections which got me to a whopping 357. I changed to weekly based in advice here and it raised to 450 with a few less side. Went to a better Dr do twice weekly injections and hcg and am now at 972. With less testosterone being injected total. My IGF-1 levels also came up when I got my other hormone levels fixed and stabilized with more frequent injections. Actually to a point above normal range for growth hormones. I also found my shriveled testicles again, can have an orgasm, and am back to enjoying sex. Trust me, the average Dr doesn't know how to treat it. The OP is smart to be here learning. With all that being said, I do think he's short sided at 18 and needs to do more testing before making a life long decision. If he hasn't identified being primary or secondary hypogonadic and doesn't ha r a lot of blood work fir review, he likely hasn't been to the right Dr yet. For me that required a flight from UT to Lansing to see Dr. Crisler.

Thats pretty awesome for you man. Im glad ur in a good state now. Yea i want to exhaust all options before resorting to TRT. Thats why i am on here as well as doing a lot of other research away from
Here. Whats ur dosage of everything now?

[Bill_boy2005]

Due to who my Dr is I can't talk about my dosages. Dr Crisler is quite adamant about treatments being individual.