Tren/Test/Masteron Cycle!

**BozzBanks** · 02-08-2012, 10:37 PM

23, 5"11 170 lbs, Roughly 14% bf

I have taken one cycle prior: test/deca , followed with nolvadex and hcg for my pct.

The cycle that I will be starting Monday consists of:

Test Propionate 75 mg
Trenbolone Acetate 50 mg
Masterone Propionate 50 mg
Also, Clenbuterol 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off throughout the cycle

My first 5 injections will be EOD and then from there on I will be doing every day injections for a total of 45 days. (6+ weeks)

For my post cycle I have nolvadex and clomid lined up.

My goals for this cycle:
I want to lower my body fat % while gaining at least 12 lbs. I want that hard ripped look, and for my abs to show. However I do not want to weigh anything less than 180 lbs or my mission is not complete!

Concerns:
Acne
Diet? (Considering going no carb, what do you guys think?)
Workout Regiment (Usually Go 3x5 EOD, should I be hitting the gym more now that I am on this cycle?)

I will be posting pictures Monday

What do you guys think?

**Kansas City Boy** · 02-08-2012, 11:24 PM

why are you doing EoD injections for first 5 injections?? I'm looking at doing a cutting cycle in the next month with some short esters. I have kind of similar goals as you. Let me know if there's a good reason for starting EoD then switching to ED

**Kansas City Boy** · 02-08-2012, 11:36 PM

Wow, scratch what I just said.... I'm half zombie right now due to adderall and 8 hours of straight studying. First off, your cycle history is lacking. Tren A is considered a steroid for advanced users. I think you should consider another test cycle with higher dosages than before. I know a lot of people hate EQ but I'm a firm believer in it. If you have enough self restraint, Equipoise is an incredible cutting AAS and you keep approx 70-80% of gains from EQ after your PCT is complete. Ask this again tomorrow during peak hours and you will get more educated responses. OR private message stpete and tell him I sent you. He might have talked me into waiting to take Tren A for a bit longer, and I've taken 5 cycles thus far. Good luck and be smart.

**BozzBanks** · 02-09-2012, 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by Kansas City Boy

why are you doing EoD injections for first 5 injections?? I'm looking at doing a cutting cycle in the next month with some short esters. I have kind of similar goals as you. Let me know if there's a good reason for starting EoD then switching to ED

I'm doing EoD for the first 5 pins to see how my body reacts to the Trenbolone . Also, thank you for the concern my friend but I do plan on starting this cycle. However I am open ears to any suggestions and I will be taking every precaution to minimize my potential risks.

**OnTheSauce** · 02-09-2012, 09:35 AM

50mg of tren eod will make you feel like s***. just start ed injections and do 25mg if you want to see how your body reacts.

**BozzBanks** · 02-09-2012, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by patrick4588

50mg of tren eod will make you feel like s***. just start ed injections and do 25mg if you want to see how your body reacts.

Hmm.. noted.

Do you or anyone else have any advice on what my diet should look like during this cycle? I kind of want to look like you by the end of my cycle Patrik4588..

**BozzBanks** · 02-09-2012, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by patrick4588

50mg of tren eod will make you feel like s***. just start ed injections and do 25mg if you want to see how your body reacts.

Hmm.. noted.

Do you or anyone else have any advice on what my diet should look like during this cycle? I kind of want to look like you by the end of my cycle Patrik4588..

**stpete** · 02-09-2012, 10:40 AM

At
23 and already having one cycle under your belt, i'd recommend you hold off on all aas for another 1.5-2 years. I know you don't want to hear that but you're taking a big risk and may damage your HPTA permanently. Besides that, even if you were 29-30 and only have done 1 cycle tren is not for you. The sides that come along w/usage may scare you away from any aas for the rest of your life.
Your on the track asking for diet advice and i suggest you hit the Nutrition Section and post your diet. Those guys and gals over there will be more than willing to help you.

Good Luck

**stpete** · 02-09-2012, 10:41 AM

At
23 and already having one cycle under your belt, i'd recommend you hold off on all aas for another 1.5-2 years. I know you don't want to hear that but you're taking a big risk and may damage your HPTA permanently. Besides that, even if you were 29-30 and only have done 1 cycle tren is not for you. The sides that come along w/usage may scare you away from any aas for the rest of your life.
Your on the track asking for diet advice and i suggest you hit the Nutrition Section and post your diet. Those guys and gals over there will be more than willing to help you.

Good Luck

**Bossman** · 02-09-2012, 11:19 AM

I agree with Stpete, 5'11", 170 lbs at 14% bf are pretty poor stats. How long have you been lifting?

You should be able to get to 200 lbs at 10% naturally with time, proper training and diet. If you don't have those things perfected first, AAS will not help. Looking at your current stats, you aren't even close to having the basics down. AAS is not a substitute for a poor diet and training.

**BozzBanks** · 02-09-2012, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Bossman

I agree with Stpete, 5'11", 170 lbs at 14% bf are pretty poor stats. How long have you been lifting?

You should be able to get to 200 lbs at 10% naturally with time, proper training and diet. If you don't have those things perfected first, AAS will not help. Looking at your current stats, you aren't even close to having the basics down. AAS is not a substitute for a poor diet and training.

I have been lifting for about 4 years. The thing is my plan has always been to be a shredded 180 lbs.. so being 200 is not really a goal of mine. I understand Tren is considered a advanced steroid and I have only one cycle under my belt, however I have done my research and I feel this blend shadows my goals.

**BozzBanks** · 02-09-2012, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by stpete

At
23 and already having one cycle under your belt, i'd recommend you hold off on all aas for another 1.5-2 years. I know you don't want to hear that but you're taking a big risk and may damage your HPTA permanently. Besides that, even if you were 29-30 and only have done 1 cycle tren is not for you. The sides that come along w/usage may scare you away from any aas for the rest of your life.
Your on the track asking for diet advice and i suggest you hit the Nutrition Section and post your diet. Those guys and gals over there will be more than willing to help you.

Good Luck

You are right perhaps I should have saved my diet questions for the other forum.

I appreciate the concern mate, but I am already very invested in this cycle. I understand there are some risks but I believe with only a moderate to low dose of tren, and with a proper PCT I can minimize those risks.

**Bossman** · 02-09-2012, 12:02 PM

It's common for bros to come in and ask a question and then when they don't like the response just ignore the advice.

The advice was to wait until you are older, and also become well versed in diet and training. You could meet your goals without aas.

**JP-MAN** · 02-09-2012, 12:21 PM

alot wrong here. I will not beat a dead horse, the guys above spoke the truth, u should not be using steroids at this point.

ur research is flawed, ur PCT was off, do not include HCG during ur PCT.

u have alot to learn my friend, good news is this is the best place to learn. Take time to educate so u can keep the gains u make when u are finally ready to start...

**BozzBanks** · 02-09-2012, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by Bossman

It's common for bros to come in and ask a question and then when they don't like the response just ignore the advice.

The advice was to wait until you are older, and also become well versed in diet and training. You could meet your goals without aas.

In retrospect it is common for veterans to try to persuade those who are already invested into their cycles to just stop and wait many years.. I understand you must feel obligated to prevent me from starting, but the fact is I have clearly already bought my cycle and invested a lot into setting this whole thing up.

**BozzBanks** · 02-09-2012, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by JP-MAN

alot wrong here. I will not beat a dead horse, the guys above spoke the truth, u should not be using steroids at this point.

ur research is flawed, ur PCT was off, do not include HCG during ur PCT.

u have alot to learn my friend, good news is this is the best place to learn. Take time to educate so u can keep the gains u make when u are finally ready to start...

Elaborate on that my friend.. I have read and been informed through what I consider a very reliable source that Nolva stacked with Hcg makes an ideal PCT.

**BozzBanks** · 02-09-2012, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by JP-MAN

alot wrong here. I will not beat a dead horse, the guys above spoke the truth, u should not be using steroids at this point.

ur research is flawed, ur PCT was off, do not include HCG during ur PCT.

u have alot to learn my friend, good news is this is the best place to learn. Take time to educate so u can keep the gains u make when u are finally ready to start...

Elaborate on that my friend.. I have read and been informed through what I consider a very reliable source that Nolva stacked with Hcg makes an ideal PCT.

**redz** · 02-09-2012, 05:42 PM

HCG can be supressive and should not be ran during pct, rather it should be ran leading up to pct. Nolva and clomid are a good pct after that. Not keeping an ai on hand? and what about prolactin gyno?

**OnTheSauce** · 02-09-2012, 06:44 PM

what redz said.

**MASTERMIKE 48** · 02-09-2012, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by stpete

At
23 and already having one cycle under your belt, i'd recommend you hold off on all aas for another 1.5-2 years. I know you don't want to hear that but you're taking a big risk and may damage your HPTA permanently. Besides that, even if you were 29-30 and only have done 1 cycle tren is not for you. The sides that come along w/usage may scare you away from any aas for the rest of your life.
Your on the track asking for diet advice and i suggest you hit the Nutrition Section and post your diet. Those guys and gals over there will be more than willing to help you.

Good Luck

I agree here! If you have never experienced tren cough beleive me its no fun!

**MASTERMIKE 48** · 02-09-2012, 06:58 PM

I have also used HCG in the 4500IU range per week for 3 weeks along side Clomid at 50mg per day and Nolvadex @25mg or Letrozole @ 100mcg for the remainder 3 weeks after that!

**markdbg** · 02-09-2012, 07:01 PM

i dont care about ur age, but ur not holding enough muscle mass to jump on this cycle. i would hold off till ur at least 185 at 12 percent to run this cycle. if u ingnore this advice dont bother taking tren and mast, just run sum test.

going no carbs will cut you up but wont help putting muscle on you. you need protein fats and carbs. lots of all to grow. if u want to get lean. cut your bodyfat down. keep training hard then come back to us.

**gearbox** · 02-10-2012, 12:39 AM

Originally Posted by redz

HCG can be supressive and should not be ran during pct, rather it should be ran leading up to pct. Nolva and clomid are a good pct after that. Not keeping an ai on hand? and what about prolactin gyno?

agreed...

**gearbox** · 02-10-2012, 12:40 AM

Originally Posted by MASTERMIKE 48

I have also used HCG in the 4500IU range per week for 3 weeks along side Clomid at 50mg per day and Nolvadex @25mg or Letrozole @ 100mcg for the remainder 3 weeks after that!

why did you run this...

**moseley2004** · 02-10-2012, 02:55 AM

Originally Posted by stpete

At
23 and already having one cycle under your belt, i'd recommend you hold off on all aas for another 1.5-2 years. I know you don't want to hear that but you're taking a big risk and may damage your HPTA permanently. Besides that, even if you were 29-30 and only have done 1 cycle tren is not for you. The sides that come along w/usage may scare you away from any aas for the rest of your life.
Your on the track asking for diet advice and i suggest you hit the Nutrition Section and post your diet. Those guys and gals over there will be more than willing to help you.

Good Luck

Hey Pete. All the reading I've done I've been trying to find the sides from tren. Even in this forum. I haven't found anything real bad. Please don't get me wrong I'm not trying to second guess your experience. I would like to know the sides from tren.
Thanks heaps

**Noles12** · 02-10-2012, 03:07 AM

Originally Posted by moseley2004

Hey Pete. All the reading I've done I've been trying to find the sides from tren . Even in this forum. I haven't found anything real bad. Please don't get me wrong I'm not trying to second guess your experience. I would like to know the sides from tren.
Thanks heaps

Increased sweating especially while sleeping, insomnia, oilier skin, irritability, decreased libido, respiratory issues including coughing and decreased respiratory capacity

**moseley2004** · 02-10-2012, 03:14 AM

Originally Posted by Noles12

Increased sweating especially while sleeping, insomnia, oilier skin, irritability, decreased libido, respiratory issues including coughing and decreased respiratory capacity

Thanks for that. Half those things I got on my last cycle, the sweating was the worst. My wife threw out 3 pillows during that time. Insomnia was pretty bad too
Thanks again

**BozzBanks** · 02-10-2012, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by redz

HCG can be supressive and should not be ran during pct, rather it should be ran leading up to pct. Nolva and clomid are a good pct after that. Not keeping an ai on hand? and what about prolactin gyno?

Yeah I took nolva with the hcg for my last pct.. Thanks mate, in the future I will use hcg leading up to the end of my cycle like you guys suggested.
Also for my next cycle I will have nolva and clomid on hand, so that's good.

**BozzBanks** · 02-10-2012, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by markdbg

i dont care about ur age, but ur not holding enough muscle mass to jump on this cycle. i would hold off till ur at least 185 at 12 percent to run this cycle. if u ingnore this advice dont bother taking tren and mast, just run sum test.

going no carbs will cut you up but wont help putting muscle on you. you need protein fats and carbs. lots of all to grow. if u want to get lean. cut your bodyfat down. keep training hard then come back to us.

Yeah you know that might actually be a good idea.. I should probably be at a higher weight before I start to cut down.. noted mate perhaps I will hold off on this cycle.

**Misery13** · 02-12-2012, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by BozzBanks

Yeah you know that might actually be a good idea.. I should probably be at a higher weight before I start to cut down.. noted mate perhaps I will hold off on this cycle.

I'm glad you finally came to your senses. The guys/gals on here are well versed on AAS and only want to help you achieve your goals. Read and memorize everything on the site.