winstrol or anavar?

[dumbtoad]

Just trying to figure the best advice to give my rather fat friend. He's afraid of clen after reading up on it. I'm advising him for winny or anavar. Which do you guys feel would be the best for fat loss? He's going to the gym and adjusting his diet but needs a little extra help.

[Razor]

Clen can cause heart stiffening, is he out of shape cardio wise?
I would choose diet and exercise over those two any day if I just wanted too loose fat

[dumbtoad]

He's had heart problems in the past which is why he's fat and afraid of clen. He runs about a mile or better a day, he just really really wants to lose the giant belly.

[Razor]

Stay away from clen and winstol then. And if he is fat and out of shape stay away from all steroids and get nutrisystems.

[wrathMcGrath]

Just trying to figure the best advice to give my rather fat friend. He's afraid of clen after reading up on it. I'm advising him for winny or anavar. Which do you guys feel would be the best for fat loss? He's going to the gym and adjusting his diet but needs a little extra help.

If your friend is overweight and out of shape, I wouldn't immediately turn to stimulants or AAS to resolve those issues. Perhaps a sit down discussing proper diet, cardio, and training would be of much greater benefit. AAS can be added down the road, when it would be more appropriate.

[dumbtoad]

Right on. Thanks for the input. He has joint problems which inhibit his workouts, he's trying flax seed oil now, but what do you think about putting him on some deca?

[Razor]

No, No, NO STERIODS Ok
Its not the easy answer,
9 times out of 10 its the wrong answer here

[wrathMcGrath]

Right on. Thanks for the input. He has joint problems which inhibit his workouts, he's trying flax seed oil now, but what do you think about putting him on some deca?

Again, if he doesn't have the basics down, why introduce the advanced? Proper diet, weight loss, and low impact activities can allow him to strength his joints. If he isn't capable of running yet, throw him in a pool and get him swimming laps.

[dumbtoad]

He's getting on the right diet track and I've been working with him on a workout. He's frustrated and impatient.

[Razor]

Can you promise me your not going to run to him and tell him to get on winny, anavar or deca please?

[dumbtoad]

Good points and good advice. Thanks guys.

[evander87]

He's had heart problems in the past which is why he's fat and afraid of clen. He runs about a mile or better a day, he just really really wants to lose the giant belly.

Hate to bust this to you and your buddy but you can't out train a bad diet. And no amount of clen, winny, or var is gonna get your buddy all shredded if his diet isn't in complete check and he sticks with it. If he's 30% bf and pops clen and drops down to 27% he's still going to look fat. I went from 29%body fat to sub 10% all natty. It wasn't easy, or fast but it's been gone for a few years.

EDIT just say your post about frustrated and impatient. I completely understand. It's super tough to understand "I didn't get fat over night, no way in hell I'm gonna get shredded overnight either". Best of luck to your friend. If he REALLY wants to lose the weight he'll find the right way. Took me years of dropping 30-40lbs and ballooning back up 40-50 before I found how I can live healthy. He needs to find what works for him and STICK WITH IT.

[wrathMcGrath]

He's getting on the right diet track and I've been working with him on a workout. He's frustrated and impatient.

Working on the psychological aspects with him are just as important as the physical. Help him develop discipline and patience. These attributes will get him a lot further in the long term.

[dumbtoad]

Yes, I promise. I'll definitely steer him away from the steroid route.

[Razor]

Hate to bust this to you and your buddy but you can't out train a bad diet. And no amount of clen, winny, or var is gonna get your buddy all shredded if his diet isn't in complete check and he sticks with it. If he's 30% bf and pops clen and drops down to 27% he's still going to look fat. I went from 29%body fat to sub 10% all natty. It wasn't easy, or fast but it's been gone for a few years.

Working on the psychological aspects with him are just as important as the physical. Help him develop discipline and patients. These attributes will get him a lot further in the long term.

Both wise answers

[dumbtoad]

Right on. Thanks wrath. I'm actually going over all that with him this afternoon.

[Razor]

Right on. Thanks wrath. I'm actually going over all that with him this afternoon.

And say no to steroids right?

[mwilkinson]

no deca with out test, and he doesn't need either, especially if he has high bf%. he'd have horrible side effects. anavar would raise heart rate and wini makes you have harder muscles, it doesn't cut. it sounds like he should be talking to a nutritionist and or his doctor. just like wrathmcgrath said "I wouldn't turn to stimulants or aas to resolve those issues" he'd be doing more damage than good.

[dumbtoad]

Correct. No steroids for him. Thanks all...great advice.

[mwilkinson]

no deca with out test, and he doesn't need either, especially if he has high bf%. he'd have horrible side effects. anavar would raise heart rate and wini makes you have harder muscles, it doesn't cut. it sounds like he should be talking to a nutritionist and or his doctor. just like wrathmcgrath said "I wouldn't turn to stimulants or aas to resolve those issues" he'd be doing more damage than good.

i wrote that so slow that there were 5 responses by the time i got mine done. hope it didn't sound like a bash. just trying to tell you what everyone else was too. glad you're having that talk with him. good luck

[Ashop]

Just trying to figure the best advice to give my rather fat friend. He's afraid of clen after reading up on it. I'm advising him for winny or anavar. Which do you guys feel would be the best for fat loss? He's going to the gym and adjusting his diet but needs a little extra help.

DIET is the most critical factor here. If he is not going to be running any additional testosterone then I would go with the ANAVAR.