Cycle Critique please-Lean Bulk Cycle

[jtuner77]

Specs 5'11"
Age 34
198lbs
Wont start cycle till I get between 170-180
Not exact on body fat but at a guess it's 22%, shooting to get to 8-10%

Wk1-115MG Test P EOD, HCG 250ius 2 times weekly, Aromasin 12.5mg/ED
WK2-11MG Test P EOD, HCG 250ius 2 times weekly, Aromasin 12.5mg/ED
Wk3-115MG Test P EOD, 50MG Winstrol ED, HCG 250ius 2 times weekly, Aromasin 12.5mg/ED
Wk4-115MG Test P EOD, 50MG Winstrol ED, HCG 250ius 2 times weekly, Aromasin 12.5mg/ED
Wk5-115MG Test P EOD, 50MG Winstrol ED, HCG 250ius 2 times weekly, Aromasin 12.5mg/ED
Wk6-115MG Test P EOD, 50MG Winstrol ED, HCG 250ius 2 times weekly, Aromasin 12.5mg/ED
Wk7-115MG Test P EOD, 50MG Winstrol ED, HCG 250ius 2 times weekly, Aromasin 12.5mg/ED
Wk8-115MG Test P EOD, 50MG Winstrol ED, HCG 250ius 2 times weekly, Aromasin 12.5mg/ED
wk9-13 Clomid 25-50mg/ED
wk9-13Nolva 20mg/ED

[titan13]

why are you waiting to run hcg till week 6? I would run it from week 2-8 250iu 2x week IMHO. I run nolva and clomid for pct and recover fine after 12 week cycles.

[alexISthrowed]

bf is too high, I would suggest trying to get that down before running your cycle.

[jtuner77]

So up it to 250iu x 2 a week from week 2-8 huh? Ok, how about a better PCT breakdown? I learn Letro is the best way to go, no?

[jtuner77]

bf is too high, I would suggest trying to get that down before running your cycle.

I stated I wasnt going to start cycle till I got down to betweem 170-180. Which should put me at about 8-13% Bodyfat.

[scorpion62]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...t=hcg+on+cycle this should cover your pct

As for your gyno you should run a AI through your cycle adex or aromasin

[Sgt. Hartman]

What's your cycle experience? Test p needs to be pinned more often than twice a week and I'd stay away from letro. Even small doses of letro can completely suppress your estrogen and make you feel absolutely awful.

[titan13]

My pct is clomid 100 for 2 weeks then 50 for 3 weeks. also nolva 40 for 2 weeks then 20 for 3 weeks. Look into clomid side effects some people dont like it, its fine with me. most people usualy run pct for 4 weeks but i often over do things. I have also looked into letro,seems like nasty stuff.

[jtuner77]

Wk1-150MG Test P EOD, HCG 250ius 2 times weekly, Aromasin 12.5mg/ED
WK2-150MG Test P EOD, HCG 250ius 2 times weekly, Aromasin 12.5mg/ED
Wk3-150MG Test P EOD, 50MG Winstrol ED, HCG 250ius 2 times weekly, Aromasin 12.5mg/ED
Wk4-150MG Test P EOD, 50MG Winstrol ED, HCG 250ius 2 times weekly, Aromasin 12.5mg/ED
Wk5-150MG Test P EOD, 50MG Winstrol ED, HCG 250ius 2 times weekly, Aromasin 12.5mg/ED
Wk6-150MG Test P EOD, 50MG Winstrol ED, HCG 250ius 2 times weekly, Aromasin 12.5mg/ED
Wk7-150MG Test P EOD, 50MG Winstrol ED, HCG 250ius 2 times weekly, Aromasin 12.5mg/ED
Wk8-150MG Test P EOD, 50MG Winstrol ED, HCG 250ius 2 times weekly, Aromasin 12.5mg/ED
wk9-13 Clomid 25-50mg/ED
wk9-13Nolva 20mg/ED

Does this look better?

[jtuner77]

What's your cycle experience? Test p needs to be pinned more often than twice a week and I'd stay away from letro. Even small doses of letro can completely suppress your estrogen and make you feel absolutely awful.

3 cycles in my life and the last one was a LONG LONG LONG time ago now. I am only trying to put on 15-20lbs of quality muscle so I dont want to really exceed 400-500mg a week of Test P, so do I pin 150mg three times a week?

I will avoid Letro. I just posted a adjusted cycle above this one. What do you think?

[jtuner77]

Clomid at 100ED or EW, same with clomid at 50ED or EW?, Nolva 40ED or EW, Nolva 20Ed or EW?

[titan13]

every day

[Sgt. Hartman]

Test p needs to be pinned ED or EOD. 25mg aromasin is a fairly hefty dose. I'd start at 12.5mg and adjust from there. Is your plan to run 400mg test p weeks 1 - 2 and 800mg weeks 3 - 8? If so, I don't think you need 800mg test to reach you goals, just pin 150mg EOD or 75mg ED for the whole cycle.

[jtuner77]

Test p needs to be pinned ED or EOD. 25mg aromasin is a fairly hefty dose. I'd start at 12.5mg and adjust from there. Is your plan to run 400mg test p weeks 1 - 2 and 800mg weeks 3 - 8? If so, I don't think you need 800mg test to reach you goals, just pin 150mg EOD or 75mg ED for the whole cycle.

I want to run no more then 400mg of Test P a week throughout the cycle, so that being said I will pin 150 EOD for 8 weeks. So I need about 4200mg of Test P, shit I only bought 4 10ML bottles, guess I need to order more.

[Sgt. Hartman]

150mg EOD would be 525mg per week. I'd just pin 100mg EOD (350mg per week) or 115mg EOD (400mg per week).

[jtuner77]

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[jtuner77]

150mg EOD would be 525mg per week. I'd just pin 100mg EOD (350mg per week) or 115mg EOD (400mg per week).

Is my math off? 8 weeks x 7days = 56 days divided by 2= 28, 28 x 150 = 4200MG, not trying to be a smart ass at all. Just want to make sure before I order two more bottles of Test P. Well if thats the case Ill just pin 115mg EOD. Dont need to pay for double shipping and a double Money Gram fee. Thanks for all the info Sgt. Hartman!!! Otherwise does everything look in order now?

[jtuner77]

Bump

[Sgt. Hartman]

You said you didn't want to run more than 400mg per week. 150mg EOD would be 525mg per week. When you pin EOD you multiply your every other day dose X 3.5 days. Your body doesn't care when the weeks starts or ends.

You're fine with 4 10mL 100mg/mL bottles for 8 weeks, but you're gonna drop that BF first, right?

[jtuner77]

You said you didn't want to run more than 400mg per week. 150mg EOD would be 525mg per week. When you pin EOD you multiply your every other day dose X 3.5 days. Your body doesn't care when the weeks starts or ends.

You're fine with 4 10mL 100mg/mL bottles for 8 weeks, but you're gonna drop that BF first, right?

Yes sir. Gonna try to get down somewhere between 170-180. I am pretty sure that I am at about 155lbs of mass via a hydrostatic and caliper/taping. If that's and I can get down to 170 without losing any mass then I will be at about 9% but Last time I plateaued at 180 and could not break it so if I get stuck I may use this on a small deficit diet to help me burn off the access 10lbs and put on the mass I want.

Your thoughts?

[jtuner77]

Anyone have a clue as to weight BF% is ok to start a cycle? I am at 192 with 17% bodyfat.

[bitsmall]

15% or less was recommended to me