2nd cycle dbol, test enth, deca

[tizzek]

Hey everyone, I'm 30yrs old, 5'8", 165lbs, and guessing around12%bf. I've been lifting for 13yrs fairly steadily, about 5-6 days a Wk for an hr each time. I used to train at about 10-15 reps, but have been training 6-8 reps for the past 6 mths in preparation for this cycle. I've also pushed my cals from 2800-30000, to 3500-4000 on average ( I aim for 4500 when my body allows it)

I've done a dbol and sust cycle around 7 yrs ago with zero knowledge and no pct. The gains I kept were minimal, and I don't want to make the same mistakes again.

I've based my cycle on readings recommended on this site, and also to use up all my gear.

Day 1-8 dbol 25mg/ed
Day 9-29 dbol 50 mg/ed
Wk 1-12 deca 250mg 2/Wk
Wk 1-15 test e 250mg 2/Wk

Arimidex on hand for a.I.

Pct

Wk 18 hcg 1000iu ed for 10 days
Wk 19-20 nolvadex 40 mg ed
Wk 21-22 nolvadex 20 mg ed

Any thoughts are welcomed and appreciated

[testfeind123]

Dbol for eight weeks is not a good idea jus use it as a kick start for 4 weeks by then the test will be goin strong..test should definitely be higher than deca.. TEST IS ALWAYS THE BASE. I say just drop the deca. If yu havnt touched gear in years yu will see Awsome results with just test and dbol.. The hcg should be used on cycle. It is somewhat supressive itself so yu don't wanna use it pct

[tizzek]

I'm only using dbol for 29 days. I've been contemplating whether I should drop the deca. U think I should use hcg during cycle? 250iu 2/Wk, Wk 4-15? Or only once every two wks? I've read lots of different opinions on this. What do u think?

[xelnaga]

I'm only using dbol for 29 days. I've been contemplating whether I should drop the deca. U think I should use hcg during cycle? 250iu 2/Wk, Wk 4-15? Or only once every two wks? I've read lots of different opinions on this. What do u think?

250iu 2/wk is a good hcg protocol. You said your using dbol for 8 weeks in your OP.

[Turbogenix]

250iu 2/wk is a good hcg protocol. You said your using dbol for 8 weeks in your OP.

He said day 1-8 not wk 1-8
He's only using dbol for 4weeks

[xelnaga]

He said day 1-8 not wk 1-8
He's only using dbol for 4weeks

Whoops! Thanks.

[tizzek]

That's days not weeks guys

[tizzek]

So if I were to run the hcg during, should I run the arimidex with my nolvadex for pct? Or would nolvadex alone suffice?

[tizzek]

If I cut out the deca, should I up the test e to 600mg a Wk and only run it for 12 wks instead of 500 a Wk for 15 wks?

[xelnaga]

So if I were to run the hcg during, should I run the arimidex with my nolvadex for pct? Or would nolvadex alone suffice?

PCT can be a good time to get off your AI, it will stop any estrogen rebound sides.

[tizzek]

Hey xelnaga I'm still finding my way around using this site. Do u mind reviewing my recent posts and tell me what u think?

[xelnaga]

Hey xelnaga I'm still finding my way around using this site. Do u mind reviewing my recent posts and tell me what u think?

My overall opinion is as follows. At 5'8 165 12% you're on the light side to consider using steroids. Stats like that may suggest inadequate diet and/or training.

Aside from my previous input your cycle looks good.

[tizzek]

Ya I'm not looking to bulk my upper body as much as I am my legs. No matter how many cals I eat or how heavy I lift, I still have chicken leg sindrom lol I was thinking about site injection (calves especially) but haven't read enough good feed back on results

[xelnaga]

Ya I'm not looking to bulk my upper body as much as I am my legs. No matter how many cals I eat or how heavy I lift, I still have chicken leg sindrom lol I was thinking about site injection (calves especially) but haven't read enough good feed back on results

Site injection does not cause actual muscle growth. Unless we are talking synthol effect. Even arnold had micro calve syndrome.

[xelnaga]

I strongly advise caution when injecting in calves. I have experienced complete lock up from calf site injections. It can bring unwanted attention when your limping around.

[tizzek]

Thanks again