Diablo's Cycle - Comments?

[Dmitri Diablo]

So after lots of reading, and help from everyone here, this is what I've come up with:

Cycle
Test C 400mg x 12 weeks w/ liquidex EOD
HCG 250iu 2 x per week until pct starts

PCT
Tamox 40mg/day for a week then 20mg a day for 4 weeks.
Clomi 100mg/day for a week then 50mg a day for 4 weeks.

(500mg of test C was suggested. As well as stacking some Deca)

My Stats:
Approaching 40
5'10"
167lbs
many years in the gym
and a slightly torn rotator cuff, which is what brought me here in the first place.

Goal's aren't to get huge. Just want to be 180, and have some added strength.

[Razor]

Hold the phone, you just signed up a little bit ago, cant you wait a bit longer and research some more b4 starting a cycle
If your going to run the test only run it shorter for 8 weeks.
You dont run HCG for 12 weeks, you will desensitize yourself and PCT will not work right
You run it for 2 weeks on 2 weeks off at 500iu 3X per week
How much liqidex are you planning on running?
I dont think you know what your doing yet, research some more.
No offense

[Dmitri Diablo]

I don't want to stack, my first go around. I'd like to see how my body reacts first, then stack later if it goes okay.
10-12 weeks was suggested. Why do you suggest only 8?

Liquidex @ 1mg/mL so I think .25mg.

I posted this for feed back, so no offence taken. I am here to learn, and I don't want to portray myself as a know it all.

Thank Bro!

[Razor]

I don't want to stack, my first go around. I'd like to see how my body reacts first, then stack later if it goes okay.
10-12 weeks was suggested. Why do you suggest only 8?

Liquidex @ 1mg/mL so I think .25mg.

I posted this for feed back, so no offence taken. I am here to learn, and I don't want to portray myself as a know it all.

Thank Bro!

.25-.50 EOD right?
Re read my whole fist post plz
First cycle, you run it short and sweet and get out quick to map your receptors and minimize sides.

[Dmitri Diablo]

.25-.50 EOD right?
Re read my whole fist post plz
First cycle, you run it short and sweet and get out quick to map your receptors and minimize sides.

I gotcha.. Ok, your not talking about stacking. Short and sweet sound like a good idea too. So I'd run the HCG every other week for just the 8 weeks.

And yes, eod for the .25 for the liquidex.

[TraPump]

Hold the phone, you just signed up a little bit ago, cant you wait a bit longer and research some more b4 starting a cycle
If your going to run the test only run it shorter for 8 weeks.
You dont run HCG for 12 weeks, you will desensitize yourself and PCT will not work right
You run it for 2 weeks on 2 weeks off at 500iu 3X per week
How much liqidex are you planning on running?
I dont think you know what your doing yet, research some more.
No offense

Hey razr what's up. Quick question not trying to undermine your info or anything I was told by someone else on this forum that I should extend my test c cycle to 12 weeks for first cycle as I initially Planned on running dbol @ 20mg Ed weeks 1-4 and test c At 350mg-400mg a week weeks 1-8 and arimidex at .25mg eod weeks 1-14(up to pct) Just a quick eight week cycle like you suggest was my first thought but I was told drop the dbol and take 500mg test c a wk for 12 weeks instead for first cycle. Just looking for multiple opinions trying to be as thorough as possible. Should I stick with my first planned cycle or just 12 weeks test or Just 8 weeks test?

[TraPump]

Hold the phone, you just signed up a little bit ago, cant you wait a bit longer and research some more b4 starting a cycle
If your going to run the test only run it shorter for 8 weeks.
You dont run HCG for 12 weeks, you will desensitize yourself and PCT will not work right
You run it for 2 weeks on 2 weeks off at 500iu 3X per week
How much liqidex are you planning on running?
I dont think you know what your doing yet, research some more.
No offense

Hey razr what's up. Quick question not trying to undermine your info or anything I was told by someone else on this forum that I should extend my test c cycle to 12 weeks for first cycle as I initially Planned on running dbol @ 20mg Ed weeks 1-4 and test c At 350mg-400mg a week weeks 1-8 and arimidex at .25mg eod weeks 1-14(up to pct) Just a quick eight week cycle like you suggest was my first thought but I was told drop the dbol and take 500mg test c a wk for 12 weeks instead for first cycle. Just looking for multiple opinions trying to be as thorough as possible. Should I stick with my first planned cycle or just 12 weeks test or Just 8 weeks test?

[Razor]

No not every other week. I said two weeks on two weeks off, and needs to be 1-2 weeks between PCT.
If your running Test C, then you need to start pct 2 weeks after your last injection

[Razor]

Hey razr what's up. Quick question not trying to undermine your info or anything I was told by someone else on this forum that I should extend my test c cycle to 12 weeks for first cycle as I initially Planned on running dbol @ 20mg Ed weeks 1-4 and test c At 350mg-400mg a week weeks 1-8 and arimidex at .25mg eod weeks 1-14(up to pct) Just a quick eight week cycle like you suggest was my first thought but I was told drop the dbol and take 500mg test c a wk for 12 weeks instead for first cycle. Just looking for multiple opinions trying to be as thorough as possible. Should I stick with my first planned cycle or just 12 weeks test or Just 8 weeks test?

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...!#.Tzi3o5wu7wg
Ronnie knows best.

[TraPump]

Ps I was told 12 werks because test c is a slow ester and won't really even kick in until weeks 4-6 closer to week 6 even which is also a valid point.

[Razor]

Trapump, start your own thread, your hijacking his.
Ill help you in there, not going to help you in here.

[Dmitri Diablo]

No not every other week. I said two weeks on two weeks off, and needs to be 1-2 weeks between PCT.
If your running Test C, then you need to start pct 2 weeks after your last injection

Yeah that's what I meant, 2 on 2 off.
With test c I understood start pct 2 - 2.5 weeks after last dose.

[Razor]

Yeah that's what I meant, 2 on 2 off.
With test c I understood start pct 2 - 2.5 weeks after last dose.

You got it, since you got that rotator cuff injury I am wondering if you
thought about running deca or var or Gh with this cycle

[Dmitri Diablo]

You got it, since you got that rotator cuff injury I am wondering if you
thought about running deca or var or Gh with this cycle

Deca, yes. But I agreed with what you said about get in and out. I want to see how my system handles it. If it runs smoothly, then for sure I will stack something.

[lovbyts]

How severe is the rotator cuff injury? If it's something that is ongoing I would hold off, you are at more risk of injuring it more due to the cycle and lifting heavier weights.

A lot of people say var and deca help with aches, pains, joint issues and var can help recover some but I still would hold if it's a real injury. I have been nursing and trying to fix a rotator cuff injury for over 8 months and I know how it feels to WANT to run a cycle but I know if I did it would do more damage than good at this point.

[Dmitri Diablo]

How severe is the rotator cuff injury? If it's something that is ongoing I would hold off, you are at more risk of injuring it more due to the cycle and lifting heavier weights.

A lot of people say var and deca help with aches, pains, joint issues and var can help recover some but I still would hold if it's a real injury. I have been nursing and trying to fix a rotator cuff injury for over 8 months and I know how it feels to WANT to run a cycle but I know if I did it would do more damage than good at this point.

Well it has been ongoing since June. My dr, a month a go, gave me a cortisone shot and then told me to get lots of muscle built up around it, and it would heal up eventually. The cortisone dulled the pain slightly, and took away the burning sensation. Then the Ultram pain meds are doing the rest. I have noticed increased mobility with it, I.e., I can reach up and scratch my mid back now... It used to be so painful I wouldn't be able to lift my hand out of my back pocket....

[D7M]

Hold the phone, you just signed up a little bit ago, cant you wait a bit longer and research some more b4 starting a cycle
If your going to run the test only run it shorter for 8 weeks.
You dont run HCG for 12 weeks, you will desensitize yourself and PCT will not work right
You run it for 2 weeks on 2 weeks off at 500iu 3X per week
How much liqidex are you planning on running?
I dont think you know what your doing yet, research some more.
No offense

I actually think he has a well planned out cycle

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...!#.Tzi3o5wu7wg
Ronnie knows best.

That is ONE way, to cycle, not THE only way. And for a first time AAS user, it's probably a good idea to get their feet wet with a simple 10-12 week test cycle

[MickeyKnox]

So after lots of reading, and help from everyone here, this is what I've come up with:

Cycle
Test C 400mg x 12 weeks w/ liquidex EOD
HCG 250iu 2 x per week until pct starts

PCT
Tamox 40mg/day for a week then 20mg a day for 4 weeks.
Clomi 100mg/day for a week then 50mg a day for 4 weeks.

(500mg of test C was suggested. As well as stacking some Deca)

My Stats:
Approaching 40
5'10"
167lbs
many years in the gym
and a slightly torn rotator cuff, which is what brought me here in the first place.

Goal's aren't to get huge. Just want to be 180, and have some added strength.

i like this cycle as well, sans the deca of course. i would also stick with the longer cycle - min 10wks. Razr knows what he's talking about. but as D7M said, there's more than one way to skin a cat. my only concern is your size.

i think you're way too small with likely little or no base for a cycle. your biggest obstacle is your diet, no question. what are you eating in a day? post your diet in the Nutrition section and get some guidance there first before starting this cycle. otherwise you'll blow up like a balloon and retain little to zero gains. regardless of what your goals are, you need to put on weight/muscle - very important bro.

[chi]

Hold the phone, you just signed up a little bit ago, cant you wait a bit longer and research some more b4 starting a cycle
If your going to run the test only run it shorter for 8 weeks.
You dont run HCG for 12 weeks, you will desensitize yourself and PCT will not work right
You run it for 2 weeks on 2 weeks off at 500iu 3X per week
How much liqidex are you planning on running?
I dont think you know what your doing yet, research some more.
No offense

Are you aware long ester test don't really kick in until 4 weeks in?

What are you talking about desensitizing hpta? Where did you come up with going on hcg 2 weeks on weeks off? Are you aware people run hcg for the length of cycle and this is standard protocol at 250ius bi weekly?

Also on a long ester test cycle you wait 2 weeks before starting pct not 1 to 2 weeks. It is two weeks.

You shouldn't be giving out advice if you don't know what you are talking about.

OP be weary of this advice

[chi]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...!#.Tzi3o5wu7wg
Ronnie knows best.

Ronnie knows best for pros and vets this is not a beginners cycle and has to do more with guys that blast and cruise currently which is totally different way of cycling with no pct involved and most of the time requires pinning for the rest of your life.

[gixxerboy1]

Hold the phone, you just signed up a little bit ago, cant you wait a bit longer and research some more b4 starting a cycle
If your going to run the test only run it shorter for 8 weeks.
You dont run HCG for 12 weeks, you will desensitize yourself and PCT will not work right
You run it for 2 weeks on 2 weeks off at 500iu 3X per week
How much liqidex are you planning on running?
I dont think you know what your doing yet, research some more.
No offense

this is not good advice. I agree with D7M and Chi

i dont know if you are confused like the other day but lately you have been giving wrong info out

[Dmitri Diablo]

Alright, thanks for the advice! Looks like I am on the right track so far.