Why many say EQ sucks

[old cajun]

I always ran it with my test. Seems I may have been wrong doing that. What would be better EQ for a lean cycle.

[Razor]

Who said it sucks?

[old cajun]

On my post I need advice on 2-13 more than one person stated that.

[The Bear 79]

Many say it sucks because it sucks. It has ZERO muscle building qualities / ability, & what it does do (give a little bit longer wind) it doesn't even do well enough to warrant spending a penny on it. It's useless. What are your stats, goals & cycle history?

[old cajun]

What would you replace it with. I always used it with test.

[The Bear 79]

What are your stats, goals & cycle history?

[old cajun]

My goals are to stay strong. I am a commercial shrimp fisherman. It requires it. Stats 55 years 208lbs 20% body fat. I work out one body part a day. Tri & bis same day 4-5 days a week Working out 10 years. Maybe 6 cycles in 5 years. Always test & eq.

[The Bear 79]

How tall are you? I would recommend getting your BF under 15%, cycling with excessive BF leaves you at greater risk of Estrogen related side effects & may even lead to heart attack.

[old cajun]

I am 5-11 What do i need to do about estrogen. I am finishing up a cycle now. One more pin. 250 test e & 200 EQ Wk. I usually do twice that. 10 wks

[old cajun]

PCT clomid and nolvadex

[The Bear 79]

I wouldn't worry about Estrogen at such a low dose, but that's no guarantee there wont be any sides. You should always have an AI on hand.

[old cajun]

How about at 500 test e wk divided in two pins. That is what i have always done. I just purchased an AI with the sponsor to use with my next cycle. Would you replace the EQ with something else. Thanks

[The Bear 79]

How about at 500 test e wk divided in two pins. That is what i have always done. I just purchased an AI with the sponsor to use with my next cycle. Would you replace the EQ with something else. Thanks

I don't feel comfortable suggesting something to replace Eq. until you get you BF under control. I'm under the impression you will just ignore the advice about the BF & run with the steroid advice. I don't want to be a part of your potential heart attack. Sorry bro. Just be patient, someone that doesn't mind, will be along shortly.

[old cajun]

I was at 26% body fat 45 days ago. Im back on track. just lost it for awhile. Its hard passing up that cajun cooking. I am gonna get back. Too much to lose. Thanks for the advice.

[Bulkn]

Why do you need another compound? I think in your case test is fine by itself.

[old cajun]

I was using the EQ because I thought it helped in keeping you lean. Sucks knowing I was wasting my time and money with EQ. Good to know test is all I need.

[bodybuilder]

Eq in no way sucks, I have used it a couple of times and get great results from it. Grantid i do believe your body fat does have to be fairly low in order to reap the benifits from it. It keeps me nice and lean, gives me that hard grainy look oh and makes me eat like a freaken race horse.

[c-Z]

For the amount you have to take and the duration. There are much better choices...

[xelnaga]

Eq in no way sucks, I have used it a couple of times and get great results from it. Grantid i do believe your body fat does have to be fairly low in order to reap the benifits from it. It keeps me nice and lean, gives me that hard grainy look oh and makes me eat like a freaken race horse.

Effectiveness of medication has nothing to do with body fat. A medication is either effective or it is not.

[redz]

EQ does suck, all it did for me was make me more hungry at 600mg/week. it is a garbage compound.

[TFf]

I'm curious as to Cajuns question also. If you don't like eq, whT would you suggest instead, givin his goals?

[bodybuilder]

???....

[bodybuilder]

Effectiveness of medication has nothing to do with body fat. A medication is either effective or it is not.

Maybe because if say your 15% bf, how will you expect to see the hardening eq gives you. Eq is not a bulking compound, so you will not see drastic muscle gains from it.

[markdbg]

three compounds i will always run are tren eq and test. i love eq for cutting or bulking, for cutting it gives me a bit of cardio boost and makes me hungry so i can eat more small meals a day, and with the hungry i noticed i can eat 20 egg whites 5 times a day and just not get sick of them as when ur so hungry anything taste good. without eq i hate eggs lol. eq makes u hungry, eating is the most important thing in bodybuilding=great compound. i will never run a cycle without it aslong as my blood pressure is in check. also love the veins i get from it.

[Jerseystepup]

I don't get it??? Im running EQ now at 600mgs per week with 400 mgs of test per week... Eq ALWAYS makes me vascular, full, and hard... One of my favorite compounds by far... The amount of time it has to be ran for is a little annoying, which it where more effective quicker... But i LOVE EQ

[MR10X]

+1 for EQ,i have used it for many years and like the results i get with it.I use to use deca untill Eq came along and i switched to it.

[The Bear 79]

Maybe because if say your 15% bf, how will you expect to see the hardening eq gives you. Eq is not a bulking compound, so you will not see drastic muscle gains from it.

Correct............you will not see drastic muscle gains from Eq. ............Nor will you see moderate or even minor muscle gains from Eq. ..........................You WILL NOT see ANY muscle gains from Eq. period..........

[swm1972]

I agree. I got veiny as hell but not bigger on EQ. I ran it at a gram a week and saw absolutely no increase in size.

[hankdiesel]

I agree. I got veiny as hell but not bigger on EQ. I ran it at a gram a week and saw absolutely no increase in size.

The people who like eq all seem to say this. Maybe you don't think it's great swm1972, but others love it and all it does is bring out a couple veins and eat a lot of food. Hundreds of dollars are wasted on these long cycles for nothing. I can eat a ton and get hard as a fuc**ing rock from test only! Also, it will not keep you lean. Steroids don't keep off body fat. Hgh does however. Maybe these dollars wasted on es should be saved up and spent on a future growth cycle. To the op, I think you should look into hrt. At your age and what your goals are I think that may be all you need.

[Honkey_Kong]

I agree. I got veiny as hell but not bigger on EQ. I ran it at a gram a week and saw absolutely no increase in size.

Well SWM1972, were you taking it solo?

[swm1972]

I was running it along with my hrt dosage of 150mg a week.

I recently added HGH to my routine. I do 1iu in the morning everyday and 2iu post workout along with saturation doses of peptides. This has really brought me to a different level. I am getting more size and leaner on hrt levels of testosterone cyp. At my age (I will be 40 in may) this really makes a huge difference. I ran eq when I was 34 or 35. Age shouldn't have been as much a factor then. I actually tried HGH back then and didn't notice much from it. I feel like my natural HGH as suffered in the past 5-6 years. I'd suggest anyone that is 40ish give it a go and I think they'd be happy with the results.

[MR10X]

I agree. I got veiny as hell but not bigger on EQ. I ran it at a gram a week and saw absolutely no increase in size.

So you didnt get any bigger,did you use any test with it..i would hope you did.

[swm1972]

Hank diesel, I disagree that steroids do not
Contribute to keeping fat off or removing it. I ran a primo, test, Anavar cycle about a year ago and dropped fat and looked the best I ever had despite not focusing on diet. I had run Anavar before and didn't see this so I have to assume it was the primo that caused the fat loss. Or maybe a combination and synergy between the primo and Anavar.

[swm1972]

So you didnt get any bigger,did you use any test with it..i would hope you did.

Only hrt levels. I always use test. Have been on hrt since I saw 34.

[redz]

eq makes u hungry, eating is the most important thing in bodybuilding =great compound.

I don`t buy that at all, you need to be able to eat out of simple will to want to grow. I don`t need to take an otherwise useless steroid just to eat as much as I need to in order to grow.....

[SEOINAGE]

To the op, I think you should look into hrt. At your age and what your goals are I think that may be all you need.

This, maybe when you come off this next cycle and finish pct you should get some blood tests done and consider running trt permanently if your levels are low.

[gixxerboy1]

eq makes you veiny because or higher red blood count and higher bp.
i'm sorry im not injecting 800mgs or drugs to increase my appetite and increase blood pressure

[Misery13]

Correct............you will not see drastic muscle gains from Eq. ............Nor will you see moderate or even minor muscle gains from Eq. ..........................You WILL NOT see ANY muscle gains from Eq. period..........

You see no gains from EQ. But some of us...a lot of do. I love the stuff.

[Hazard]

eq makes you veiny because or higher red blood count and higher bp.
i'm sorry im not injecting 800mgs or drugs to increase my appetite and increase blood pressure

EXACTLY!

Steroids increase red blood cells..... EQ is supposed to be among the best at doing this. So people decide they want to run large amounts with test to see some veins...... doesn't make any sense. A high RBC count leads to polycythaemia...... doesn't really seem worth it to me. How bout this..... get your ass on the treadmill and lose some bodyfat..... you'll see veins.

Regarding EQ's size gains...... THERE ARE NONE! PERIOD! Jesus fvck..... I ran it at a gram a week for a long time and saw NOTHING. N-O-T-H-I-N-G! So unless my source had legit test, legit tren , legit dbol , legit winny, but bunk EQ..... then the compound doesn't work for size gains IMO. Sure everyone is different..... but there's an overwhelmingly large amount of people who say it sucks for size gains and those tht do say it's packs on size are running higher doses of test withit or combining it with other compounds. YOU CANNOT SAY EQ PACKS ON SIZE WHEN YOU ARE RUNNING TEST/TREN/EQ ALL IN THE SAME CYCLE!

Regarding it's effect on hunger...... why the fvck would you spend all that money and put high doses of a steroid (if you can even call it that) into your body to acquire some more hunger? Go buy some damn digestive enzymes and force feed yourself for a couple weeks like the rest of us. I mean wtf are you really eating? You need EQ to eat 7,000 calories? C'MON..... I bet most of the guys on here struggle to eat 3500 calories..... Saying you use EQ for hunger is an excuse to defend a compound that your too stubborn to admit sucks.

If you think i'm full of shit then I'd REALLY love for someone to run 800mg's of EQ for 14 weeks with an HRT dose of test. If EQ has ANY muscle building ability..... it ought to show. No one wants to doit tho! No one wants to run a cycle that may not do shit for them.....

~Haz~

[Hazard]

And if I hear one more time that EQ "keeps me lean" i'm gunna throw my computer out the window.....

~Haz~