Newbie on a completely different cycle than I've seen recommended

[Adelsud]

I'm pretty athletic by disposition but have NOT been able to maintain on my own. So: Went and got advised by a UG Lab and set up. Very secure with the quality and I've got a lot more oversight than is probably normal. I was provided with this as a starting cycle.

25mg EOD Test Enthanate
50mg EOD Test Proprionate
25mg EOD Masteron

Weeks 1-4

Weeks 4-6 Bump to:

50mg Test Enthanate EOD
50mg Test Proprionate EOD
75mg Masteron EOD

Then there's 4 weeks of down cycle and I - embarrasingly can't remember the names but it's three different products geared very strongly towards the DHT side of the axis with one of the three being an anti-estrogen chemical. Also, the down cycle is 100% oral.

I've got another 5 weeks to look at my schedule and I'll post the names of the oral medications tomorrow.

I'm overweight so I'm NOT looking to bulk. I asked for a combo that would build mass via regular workouts and a good diet without bloating or aromatization. I also wanted increased endurance for jogging and biking. From what I can read, I've been given good advice for what I asked for but this cycle looks NOTHING like what's available on this site elsewhere.

Gut instinct, I'll be fine but any feedback would be wonderful.

[xelnaga]

Stats?

[swm1972]

Personally I believe ramping up doses is a waste of time. I'd start at the higher doses you are contemplating and just go from there. If this is your first cycle I'd drop the masteron and increase the test to 500 mgs a week. Also. I wouldn't ramp down. Pick a dose and stick to it.

[songdog]

Personally I believe ramping up doses is a waste of time. I'd start at the higher doses you are contemplating and just go from there. If this is your first cycle I'd drop the masteron and increase the test to 500 mgs a week. Also. I wouldn't ramp down. Pick a dose and stick to it.

How con you give advice when you dont know his STATS?

[swm1972]

Double post

[stpete]

Your BF needs to come down to quite a bit before embarking on a cycle. You need to re-evaluate your diet and bring it down to 15% for better results. And that cycle is all over the place. You need to do a lot more research as well. A simple test only cycle will be your best bet but not at those dosages or frequency. Furthermore, there's no reason to stop in the middle of a cycle. Do you have a PCT in mind?

I suggest you get that diet in order. Head over to the Nutrition Section for advice and research. Post your diet and you'll get the best advice to help you get where you want to be.

Good Luck

[swm1972]

Because the advise I have is good advise regardless of stats? Ramping up and down is a stupid useless practice regardless of whether he is 200lbs or 135lbs. At 8% body fat or 40% body fat. Utilizing multiple compounds on a first cycle (an assumption of mine based on his limited knowledge of these compounds) is also a bad idea regardless of stats. First go around test only cycles let you figure out exactly how your body responds to testosterone in elevated levels. And if you have problems they are easily remedied with an AI. If you are running something else the cause isn't always cut and dry. So.... you tell me. What stat is he going to state that is going to change anything that I posted? Unless he is about to post he has a vagina I stand by my original post. Not to mention. What is wrong with just answering the questions that are asked? I see so many people require stats history etc when simple questions are asked. You aren't his mother (another assumption of mine). Quit acting like one. He is asking the questions he feels is relevant to his situation. I'm fairly certain this isn't the last question he will ask before impaling a 1-1/2" 25 gauge syringe in his quad or glute.

[stpete]

Yawn. Because just about anyone that is ready to run a cycle can safely run 500 mgs a week of testosterone It's good advise for a first cycle to only utilize one compound so if problems arise you know exactly why. If there are problems with this cycle they are easily remedied with an AI. If he hasn't don't his homework in that regard he will ask that question when he crosses that bridge. He didn't ask anything other then what we thought of that listed cycle. I answered his question. It's his job to know if he is ready to cycle. Not mine. Nor yours. So many people act like a damn mother hen looking after her chicks rather then answering the questions that are asked. It's obvious he had limited
Knowledge pertaining to these compounds. He is asking the questions he feels are relevant to his concerns. I am fairly confident this wasn't going to be his final question before stabbing a syringe into his quad or glute.

What if he was 18, 6' and weighed 280lbs w/no training or diet experience whatsoever?

[MickeyKnox]

Because the advise I have is good advise regardless of stats? Ramping up and down is a stupid useless practice regardless of whether he is 200lbs or 135lbs. At 8% body fat or 40% body fat. Utilizing multiple compounds on a first cycle (an assumption of mine based on his limited knowledge of these compounds) is also a bad idea regardless of stats. First go around test only cycles let you figure out exactly how your body responds to testosterone in elevated levels. And if you have problems they are easily remedied with an AI. If you are running something else the cause isn't always cut and dry. So.... you tell me. What stat is he going to state that is going to change anything that I posted? Unless he is about to post he has a vagina I stand by my original post. Not to mention. What is wrong with just answering the questions that are asked? I see so many people require stats history etc when simple questions are asked. You aren't his mother (another assumption of mine). Quit acting like one. He is asking the questions he feels is relevant to his situation. I'm fairly certain this isn't the last question he will ask before impaling a 1-1/2" 25 gauge syringe in his quad or glute.

i disagree. i think we have a obligation to offer responsible advice to everyone, regardless of their experience. asking someone for their stats is simply a way to determine their age along with a host of other contributing factors that may decide what information will best serve the OP. and for you to suggest that someone is "mother goose" indicates to me at least a lack of respect for those of us that wish to be responsible in our recommendations and advice. perhaps you would rather give out blanket advice to underage or over weight users, but MOST of us would rather use common sense and stat information to assist in determining the best course of action..based on facts, medical studies, and experience.

[swm1972]

What advice did I give that wouldn't apply to someone that is too young to cycle or overweight? Everything I said is true for anyone considering running a cycle. Unless you think ramping is a good idea for some reason? Or do multiple compounds for a newbie cycle sound like a good idea to you?

The guy I responded to came across as a dick IMO. I responded how I chose to and stand by it. I've been on these boards since I started looking for a new home after SSB went down, I've been on doctor prescribed HRT going back six years (I've self administered occasionally due to lose of insurance). I've been through various cycle with more compounds then most and have plenty of practical first hand knowledge based on experience not regurgitated bro science bullshit that others have read somewhere else and take as gospel.

I've been overweight at nearly 50% body fat and lost 100lbs in a year. I've been 240lbs at 5'10" and sub 10%. I'm nearly 40 years old today and still walk around all year long at 225 at sub 15%. I know what I'm talking about. I've lived it.

Regardless it's his choice to make and you saying he is too fat, too young, etc likely isn't going to change anyone's mind that is already sold on the idea to such a degree he is planning out cycles. You feel free to give out responsible advice and talk people out of doing the same damn thing you feel justified in doing yourself. I'll give advise by answering question that are asked and let adults decide for themselves where they are in their lives and what they wish to do with it. Deal?

Btw. Check his profile. He is 35 years old. Talks about his training history. Etc. those the stats everyone is so concerned with but unwilling to go look for themselves??

[MickeyKnox]

What advice did I give that wouldn't apply to someone that is too young to cycle or overweight? Everything I said is true for anyone considering running a cycle. Unless you think ramping is a good idea for some reason? Or do multiple compounds for a newbie cycle sound like a good idea to you?

The guy I responded to came across as a dick IMO. I responded how I chose to and stand by it. I've been on these boards since I started looking for a new home after SSB went down, I've been on doctor prescribed HRT going back six years (I've self administered occasionally due to lose of insurance). I've been through various cycle with more compounds then most and have plenty of practical first hand knowledge based on experience not regurgitated bro science bullshit that others have read somewhere else and take as gospel.

I've been overweight at nearly 50% body fat and lost 100lbs in a year. I've been 240lbs at 5'10" and sub 10%. I'm nearly 40 years old today and still walk around all year long at 225 at sub 15%. I know what I'm talking about. I've lived it.

Regardless it's his choice to make and you saying he is too fat, too young, etc likely isn't going to change anyone's mind that is already sold on the idea to such a degree he is planning out cycles. You feel free to give out responsible advice and talk people out of doing the same damn thing you feel justified in doing yourself. I'll give advise by answering question that are asked and let adults decide for themselves where they are in their lives and what they wish to do with it. Deal?

are you kidding? your first three paragraphs are a ******* attempt at sounding like a responsible experienced adult...you're clearly not. if you were, you'd know that the best interest of the OP is his diet and to forget about AAS until he has good foundation (not fat) to build clean muscle on, and an even better working knowledge of AAS - his cycle is so convoluted it staggers my imagination.

and to suggest giving up on him because "he's gonna do what he wants", is about as ridiculous and irresponsible as your former response. first and foremost should be the health and well being of the OP, not what the "best cycle" is. why on earth do you think stats are most often asked? do you think we're interested so we can send them some clothes?

i'm sorry, i don't agree with you at all and i'm not willing to put any more time in on you. i think your too thick-skulled to understand or even care. this site is more than a information dump. that's why the veterans and admin put so much effort into educating newbies for their first few weeks or even months on here.

and no, we don't have a deal.

[Blergs]

I'm pretty athletic by disposition but have NOT been able to maintain on my own. So: Went and got advised by a UG Lab and set up. Very secure with the quality and I've got a lot more oversight than is probably normal. I was provided with this as a starting cycle.

25mg EOD Test Enthanate
50mg EOD Test Proprionate
25mg EOD Masteron

Weeks 1-4

Weeks 4-6 Bump to:

50mg Test Enthanate EOD
50mg Test Proprionate EOD
75mg Masteron EOD

Then there's 4 weeks of down cycle and I - embarrasingly can't remember the names but it's three different products geared very strongly towards the DHT side of the axis with one of the three being an anti-estrogen chemical. Also, the down cycle is 100% oral.

I've got another 5 weeks to look at my schedule and I'll post the names of the oral medications tomorrow.

I'm overweight so I'm NOT looking to bulk. I asked for a combo that would build mass via regular workouts and a good diet without bloating or aromatization. I also wanted increased endurance for jogging and biking. From what I can read, I've been given good advice for what I asked for but this cycle looks NOTHING like what's available on this site elsewhere.

Gut instinct, I'll be fine but any feedback would be wonderful.

a few tips but please dont get mad:

first off this is one of the worst cycle iv seen in a while, 6 weeks? pointless and teste AND testp? seems like he just wanted to sell you more. whats the point of teste in a 6 wk cycle? in the furture you will see how off this is.

*you should not be using steroids untill you have a good diet and workout, and you dont because your over weight.
*you should not be using steroid because you do not have the basic knowledge to use them safely, i can tell just from the first post.
*you should not be using steroids with a high body fat %, why? on top of already high blood pressure, the more fat you have the more conversion to estrogen and more side effects you will have.
*you should not be using steroids without a proper base and atleast a few years of training under your belt, this is to avoid injury as you may get hurt, tendons will be waek *while your muscles get stronger and if you push it, even though you feel its nto heavy SNAP* and there you go to the ER.
*You should not be taking steroid advice from people selling steroids.
*The cycle you posted above is TERRIBLE!- teste eod? 4 week test cycle? look the whole thing is a mess right now.

WHEN you ready for a cycle, (YOUR NOT RIGHT NOW YOU NEED MANY MONTHS OF RESEARCH at least)
here is a good first cycle:

week1-14 500mg teste ew
Wk15-19 PCT! (you better know what it is and why it is) nolva or clomid 25mg ed
AI on hand! don't know what that is? here is the name of one: Letro

PLEAS PLEASE PLEASE stop before you hurt yourself, thats the path your on right now.


I do wish you the best and I'm VERY VERY happy your following your gut, because your right your in over your head and there is somthign wrong..
dont freak out your not gonna die over night or anything extreme like that, but you need to address this now.

PLEASE feel free to pm me (not sure if there is even pms on this forum im new to this one) or contact me with SPECIFIC questions once you learn more.

[swm1972]

are you kidding? your first three paragraphs are a ******* attempt at sounding like a responsible experienced adult...you're clearly not. if you were, you'd know that the best interest of the OP is his diet and to forget about AAS until he has good foundation (not fat) to build clean muscle on, and an even better working knowledge of AAS - his cycle is so convoluted it staggers my imagination.

and to suggest giving up on him because "he's gonna do what he wants", is about as ridiculous and irresponsible as your former response. first and foremost should be the health and well being of the OP, not what the "best cycle" is. why on earth do you think stats are most often asked? do you think we're interested so we can send them some clothes?

i'm sorry, i don't agree with you at all and i'm not willing to put any more time in on you. i think your too thick-skulled to understand or even care. this site is more than a information dump. that's why the veterans and admin put so much effort into educating newbies for their first few weeks or even months on here.

and no, we don't have a deal.

You have been a member here for two months. Wtf do you know about the effort veterans have put in?

I was the first in this thread to point out his cycle was extremely poorly designed. When I explained why and what his first cycle should look like I was called out by the "STATS" crew.

At his age and the fact he is still overweight despite having a history of working out some hormone manipulation might be exactly what the doctor ordered. HRT in clinical trials has shown time and again to assist in body recomposition. You talk about sound medical advice yet you haven't a damn clue about anything pertaining to him. I atleast read his profile which was obviously more then all the naysayers in this thread did.

I dont give a damn if we have a deal or not newbie. I'll answer any thread I want how I want and in the end all your tantrums and crying won't change that.

[swm1972]

a few tips but please dont get mad:

first off this is one of the worst cycle iv seen in a while, 6 weeks? pointless and teste AND testp? seems like he just wanted to sell you more. whats the point of teste in a 6 wk cycle? in the furture you will see how off this is.

*you should not be using steroids untill you have a good diet and workout, and you dont because your over weight.
*you should not be using steroid because you do not have the basic knowledge to use them safely, i can tell just from the first post.
*you should not be using steroids with a high body fat %, why? on top of already high blood pressure, the more fat you have the more conversion to estrogen and more side effects you will have.
*you should not be using steroids without a proper base and atleast a few years of training under your belt, this is to avoid injury as you may get hurt, tendons will be waek *while your muscles get stronger and if you push it, even though you feel its nto heavy SNAP* and there you go to the ER.
*You should not be taking steroid advice from people selling steroids.
*The cycle you posted above is TERRIBLE!- teste eod? 4 week test cycle? look the whole thing is a mess right now.

WHEN you ready for a cycle, (YOUR NOT RIGHT NOW YOU NEED MANY MONTHS OF RESEARCH at least)
here is a good first cycle:

week1-14 500mg teste ew
Wk15-19 PCT! (you better know what it is and why it is) nolva or clomid 25mg ed
AI on hand! don't know what that is? here is the name of one: Letro

PLEAS PLEASE PLEASE stop before you hurt yourself, thats the path your on right now.

I do wish you the best and I'm VERY VERY happy your following your gut, because your right your in over your head and there is somthign wrong..
dont freak out your not gonna die over night or anything extreme like that, but you need to address this now.

PLEASE feel free to pm me (not sure if there is even pms on this forum im new to this one) or contact me with SPECIFIC questions once you learn more.

Good advice man.

[MickeyKnox]

You have been a member here for two months. Wtf do you know about the effort veterans have put in? i've been reading and this site for over 4 years.

I was the first in this thread to point out his cycle was extremely poorly designed. When I explained why and what his first cycle should look like I was called out by the "STATS" crew. another example of your arrogance.

At his age and the fact he is still overweight despite having a history of working out some hormone manipulation might be exactly what the doctor ordered. HRT in clinical trials has shown time and again to assist in body recomposition. You talk about sound medical advice yet you haven't a damn clue about anything pertaining to him. I steady read his profile which was obviously more then all the naysayers in this thread did. "sound medical advice"? your arrogance appears to be getting the best of you.

I font give a damn if we have a deal or not newbie. I'll answer any thread I want how I want and in the end all your tantrums and crying like a bitch won't change that. your uncontrolled aggression is synonymous with your "experience". OP please be weary of this advice.

Im done in here.

[swm1972]

your uncontrolled aggression is synonymous with your "experience". OP please be weary of this advice.

Im done in here.

Second time you've said it. Is it really true this time?

Or can we count on your continued 2 months experience on the subject matter?

Blerg posted pretty much the same cycle I suggested. Comment on that?

[evander87]

I'm overweight

Can't out train a bad diet. Even with juice.

[The Bear 79]

What advice did I give that wouldn't apply to someone that is too young to cycle or overweight?

You advised him to increase his dose, his original post clearly states he is overweight, if you knew any thing at all, you would not have suggested he increase his dose. People with excessive body fat generally have high blood pressure, steroids also increase blood pressure. Your advice could lead the OP to a heart attack. Not to mention, the greater likelihood of estrogen related side effects that are accompanied by cycling with excessive body fat. You know nothing, & should not be giving cycle advice.

[swm1972]

You advised him to increase his dose, his original post clearly states he is overweight, if you knew any thing at all, you would not have suggested he increase his dose. People with excessive body fat generally have high blood pressure, steroids also increase blood pressure. Your advice could lead the OP to a heart attack. Not to mention, the greater likelihood of estrogen related side effects that are accompanied by cycling with excessive body fat. You know nothing, & should not be giving cycle advice.

There are varying degrees of over weight. You are assuming he has high blood pressure. You don't know shit about him other then the fact he is overweight. At 6' tall in the 240lbs range thats not drastically obese. Could he stand to lose some weight?? Probably. Is he a lard ass? Doesnt sound like it.

I didnt suggest he increase his dose. I said his cycle was a bad idea and gave him an example of a better beginner cycle. I am not interested in telling anyone what to do. It's his life to live. I answered his question. Nothing more.

I know way more things that are based on fact and not assumptions pulled out of my ass.

[The Bear 79]

There are varying degrees of over weight. You are assuming he has high blood pressure. You don't know shit about him other then the fact he is overweight. At 6' tall in the 240lbs range thats not drastically obese. Could he stand to lose some weight?? Probably. Is he a lard ass? Doesnt sound like it.

I didnt suggest he increase his dose. I said his cycle was a bad idea and gave him an example of a better beginner cycle. I am not interested in telling anyone what to do. It's his life to live. I answered his question. Nothing more.

I know way more things that are based on fact and not assumptions pulled out of my ass.

I'd start at the higher doses you are contemplating / I'd drop the masteron and increase the test to 500 mgs a week.

I suppose I "pulled that out of my ass" too huh? You advised / suggested the OP run higher doses of steroids & you did so because you know nothing & should not be giving cycle advice.

[swm1972]

You are right. I said run this. I forced it on him. Not like he came here looking for answers to a specific question which I provided. I know one thing. You are an asshole. And a post whore. How could you have any practical knowledge based on experience when all you do is post. When was the last time you managed to get to the gym? Over 2000 posts in less hen a year. Not much a life outside this board I guess. Might be a personality issue. That's an educated guess on my part.

[felk87]

Second time you've said it. Is it really true this time?

Or can we count on your continued 2 months experience on the subject matter?

Blerg posted pretty much the same cycle I suggested. Comment on that?

Shhh shhhh....just a piece of advice, find a new home...you are not wanted here with your hardheaded advice that is reckless and dangerous. Please do us all a favor and just delete your account and find a new home.

[The Bear 79]

You are right. I said run this. I forced it on him. Not like he came here looking for answers to a specific question which I provided. I know one thing. You are an asshole. And a post whore. How could you have any practical knowledge based on experience when all you do is post. When was the last time you managed to get to the gym? Over 2000 posts in less hen a year. Not much a life outside this board I guess. Might be a personality issue. That's an educated guess on my part.

I never said you forced it on him, I said you advised it, & if you had any real knowledge, you wouldn't have given this advice because you would know people with excessive BF shouldn't cycle. You are inexperienced, unknowledgable & you should not be giving cycle advice. I have a home gym that puts any pro gym to shame & a membership at a gym near my work............I get plenty of gym time. Thanx for your concern though, I know you had my best interests in mind.........

[FireGuy]

If you guys cant stay on task stay out of the thread. SWM's advice about not tapering, running a test only cycle and starting at 500mgs is far from reckless. It's actually pretty sound considering what the OP came forth with. I know many of you like to get Stats prior to advising and that's your choice. If someone here chooses to give advice to someone without stats or someone who is 18 years old that's their choice. There is no rule against it. If you have a different opinion state it and give a reason why. This constant bickering is ruining more threads than I can remember.

[FireGuy]

Example, If you disagree you would say. "I wouldnt suggest any cycle for the OP unless I knew just how overweight he was due to blood pressure concerns."

[swm1972]

The more I think about that post suggesting a 500mg a week cycle was going to result in the OP having a heart attack the more comical your statement that I know nothing. You are as bad as the media hysteria surrounding these compounds. Even some of the biggest proponents and users of these compounds spew nonsense and exaggerate the possible side effects and harm. No wonder the government has no problems keeping these controlled substances despite the fact the Fda was completely opposed to placing them
On the controlled substance list. Too
Many sheep in this world spewing regurgitated bro science and not enough real world first hand knowledge.

[The Bear 79]

If you guys cant stay on task stay out of the thread. SWM's advice about not tapering, running a test only cycle and starting at 500mgs is far from reckless. It's actually pretty sound considering what the OP came forth with. I know many of you like to get Stats prior to advising and that's your choice. If someone here chooses to give advice to someone without stats or someone who is 18 years old that's their choice. There is no rule against it. If you have a different opinion state it and give a reason why. This constant bickering is ruining more threads than I can remember.

This has nothing to do with age, if it did, I would have already bowed out. Advising someone that is overweight to increase their steroid dose IS NOT sound advice.

[swm1972]

Thanks fireguy. I doubt I am going to let a few guys that have been registered for a month or two run me off. I've been here for 5 years. My advise is based on personal experience and is sound.

[The Bear 79]

The more I think about that post suggesting a 500mg a week cycle was going to result in the OP having a heart attack the more comical your statement that I know nothing. You are as bad as the media hysteria surrounding these compounds. Even some of the biggest proponents and users of these compounds spew nonsense and exaggerate the possible side effects and harm. No wonder the government has no problems keeping these controlled substances despite the fact the Fda was completely opposed to placing them
On the controlled substance list. Too
Many sheep in this world spewing regurgitated bro science and not enough real world first hand knowledge.

Prove anabolic steroids don't increase your BP & prove that high BP cant lead to a heart attack. If you can prove these things, I will admit I'm wrong & apologize. If you cant prove it, you do the same.

[JohnnyVegas]

Adelsud - welcome to the forum. It isn't usually like this.

I hope you stick around...there is no better place to learn. With a little patience on your part we can get you headed in the right direction.

[swm1972]

You don't have a clue how overweight he is. Do you? Give us a body fat %

You don't have a damn clue. Nobody does. He didn't post that info and probably doesn't really know. Few can accurately state this stat.

500 mgs isn't going to cause a heart attack in a 35 year old man that is a little overweight that has been training fairly consistently since he was 17. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous.

[The Bear 79]

Thanks fireguy. I doubt I am going to let a few guys that have been registered for a month or two run me off. I've been here for 5 years. My advise is based on personal experience and is sound.

You've been here 5 years & contributed nothing, you just come here to get answers & then you're gone until you need help again. If your advise is based on personal exp., then you have it all wrong. You know nothing & should not be giving cycle advice.

[swm1972]

Prove anabolic steroids don't increase your BP & prove that high BP cant lead to a heart attack. If you can prove these things, I will admit I'm wrong & apologize. If you cant prove it, you do the same.

Different substance effect lee ole differently. I've seen people that BP skyrocket on modest cycles. I've run a gram test prop and 700 mgs tren ace before with abombs and didn't see a blimp on the BP. So it's a variable thing and not written in stone. You do not have a clue how these compounds will effect his blood pressure. Neither do I. Until he tried nobody will. He could be sitting at 120/70 right now for all we know. Not all overweight people have BP problems.

[FireGuy]

This has nothing to do with age, if it did, I would have already bowed out. Advising someone that is overweight to increase their steroid dose IS NOT sound advice.

If you read the proposed cycle it called for over 600mgs of AAS starting in week 4 so 500 would be a decrease. I am not taking sides on this and the overweight statement and the BP issues are certainly valid ones. There are ways of bringing up issues or disagreeing with someone without it turning into a flame fest.

[swm1972]

You've been here 5 years & contributed nothing, you just come here to get answers & then you're gone until you need help again. If your advise is based on personal exp., then you have it all wrong. You know nothing & should not be giving cycle advice.

I've made less then 40 posts in 5 years. I've never asked a question once and always answer questions. Did you bother to read my previous posts? I am guessing not. You assume an awful lot and seem to actually know very little.

I'll continue as I always have. You can post your tantrums after each of my posts from here on out though. I can't stop you anymore then you can prevent me from giving better advise then you yourself are capable of giving.

[alexISthrowed]

Wayyyy too many threads get side tracked because someone is 24 or 16%bf blah blah blah. Give your advice, let the op decide what's right. No reason to side track threads bickering back and forth with one another.

[Sgt. Hartman]

........ Not gonna throw fuel on the fire but the arguing is getting really old.

[jimmyinkedup]

Shhh shhhh....just a piece of advice, find a new home...you are not wanted here with your hardheaded advice that is reckless and dangerous. Please do us all a favor and just delete your account and find a new home.

It is not your place to decide this and it definately isnt your place to say it. Be advised.
End of discussion.....

[BossMcBossBoss]

i would just do a cycle of Test E 500mg per week. Pin every 3.5 days.

[Adelsud]

This is intense. I DEFINITELY appreciate the massive amount of feedback. Quick history. I'm overweight - it's a pretty recent development, though. I got divorced 6 months ago, drank too much and bloated up. I've got a solid diet plan, quit drinking and work out regularly (as in 4 times a week.) I'm 6'1" but at a really good point I weighed 226 and was 14% body fat. I'm a pretty big guy at the best of times. I had a 14 minute two mile time and could do 80 push ups and 100 sit ups in two minutes (meaning 2 minutes for each exercise). This wasn't that long ago I did the test. Some of y'all might recognize those numbers from the Army Physical Fitness Test. I do just fine at that.

So, assuming I'm going to do a cycle - thank all of you very much for your concern and advice not to - Just start with Test E. or Test P?

I have plenty to do a 10 or 12 week regimen. Then worry about a cutting cycle? Also, the Masteron is there because I do NOT want to bloat. Does that have any place in a cycle?