tren

**beauibbotten** · 02-17-2012, 10:09 PM

what would be a gd tren cycle

**Noles12** · 02-17-2012, 10:13 PM

You have been told mulitple times that steroids at your age are not a good idea. What makes you think the harshest one out there will be any better?

**beauibbotten** · 02-17-2012, 10:25 PM

i didnt post this to be told im not old enough im nearly finished a cycle of prop n decca wat makes u think you telling me im not old enough will stop me from finding out a gd way to stack tren get the **** out of my post if ya guna be a hero

**Julz_W** · 02-17-2012, 10:26 PM

For what?

**Noles12** · 02-17-2012, 10:27 PM

Good luck

**beauibbotten** · 02-17-2012, 10:28 PM

for bulking i got to tren is gd because it works as a hardener

**Thor249** · 02-17-2012, 10:59 PM

What are your stats?

**Julz_W** · 02-17-2012, 10:59 PM

If you're heart is set on it check out this guys thread.

You didn't say if you were going to stack it with things so this'll help.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...s#.Tz8vy7SiBOQ

**Bulkn** · 02-18-2012, 02:56 AM

These new Aussies are giving the rest of us a bad name

**stpete** · 02-18-2012, 06:29 AM

What is your training experience and diet like? But Noles is right regarding your age. And your attitude isn't going to get you anywhere, and it's a perfect indicator of your maturity.

**The Bear 79** · 02-18-2012, 06:35 AM

Originally Posted by beauibbotten

i didnt post this to be told im not old enough im nearly finished a cycle of prop n decca wat makes u think you telling me im not old enough will stop me from finding out a gd way to stack tren get the **** out of my post if ya guna be a hero

It doesn't matter what you want to get out of "your post", everyone here is entitled to speak as openly & freely as they choose about ANYTHING they choose pertaining to you & your proposed cycle, & there's nothing you can do about it, you cant even kick anyone out of "your post" like the tough guy you THINK you are. Cycling at you age significantly increases the risk of doing potentially irreversible damage to your undeveloped Endocrine & HPTA. You could end up with a whole host of problems, including, but not limited to: erectile dysfunction. low or no libido, chronic fatigue & sever depression. Now how about you step out of Zyzz's shadow & make a decision for the betterment of your future instead of the detriment. You could be a trail blazer for all the young, stubborn, uneducated, Zyzz wannabe's.

**thex95** · 02-18-2012, 08:30 AM

way too young, give it a rest

***FireGuy*** · 02-18-2012, 08:54 AM

Your question is like asking "what's a good diet?" What might be a good tren cycle for one person would be a horrible choice for another.

**Stickman123** · 02-18-2012, 10:01 AM

Even a noob like me can come up with a good tren cycle by taking 15 minutes to use the search function and read. The fact that the OP is too impatient to do that speaks volumes. Good luck.

**gixxerboy1** · 02-18-2012, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by Stickman123

Even a noob like me can come up with a good tren cycle by taking 15 minutes to use the search function and read. The fact that the OP is too impatient to do that speaks volumes. Good luck.

he is and he doesnt have a clue what he is doing. He is 6ft and 180lbs on cycle.

**dumbtoad** · 02-18-2012, 10:25 AM

Ignorance is bliss. He'll think he's big and tough but regret it later.

**titan13** · 02-18-2012, 12:05 PM

Im going to have to give this forum a break, these young kids are stressing me the f*ck out.

**gearbox** · 02-18-2012, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by titan13

Im going to have to give this forum a break, these young kids are stressing me the f*ck out.

that is exactly why I had a break a few weeks back...then I came back and guys were like were the __ were you? lol did want to bash on new guys..

**swm1972** · 02-18-2012, 12:54 PM

Not worth the bullshit. Sorry everyone.

**JohnnyVegas** · 02-18-2012, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by swm1972

Not looking to stir up shit again but I thought it was worth pointing out.

Pointing it out IS stirring up shit again. Point it out in PM so threads don't get ruined. Arguments (as apposed to rational discussions) in threads are like two people standing up in a restaurant and yelling at each other.

swm1972 - my opinion isn't just about you. It is a generality. Also, I just noticed you have been here four years and don't have enough posts to PM. You seem knowledgable...get that post count up.

**The Bear 79** · 02-18-2012, 01:10 PM

You gona get the fvck over it & move on, or hang on to it like a girl & b!tch & whine & nag about it for the next year to come.............? BTW, I didn't back off cause someone else posted, I gave up on you because you're a hard headed, lost cause & you're not not worth anymore of my time. I dont care what ANYBODY says, you're inexperienced & unknowledgable & you should not be giving cycle advice.

**swm1972** · 02-18-2012, 01:29 PM

Not worth the bullshit. Sorry everyone.

***FireGuy*** · 02-18-2012, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by swm1972

This is an odd statement coming from you after giving me ten kinds of hell for offering the advise I did yesterday. Not disagreeing with your sentiment here. But to say everyone is entitled to speak openly and freely after the bullshit you spewed yesterday pertaining to my technically sound advice is somewhat ironic. I noticed once vets started coming around saying my advise was accurate you and others backed off for the most part. Other then your last post claiming I come here seeking advise and then disappear. I have never once asked a single question on this board. I have always tried to give honest answers to the best of my ability. And for someone to be so condescending toward me and then make a statement like this one..... I nearly shit myself.

Not looking to stir up shit again but I thought it was worth pointing out.

Did it not occur to you that this was going to start things up all over again and "stir shit up"? There is no need for either of you to address each other in anyone elses thread.

**JohnnyVegas** · 02-18-2012, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by swm1972

Everyone is entitled to make their own choices and telling a 19 year old he is too young probably isn't going to change his mind.

Several kids have been pointed to threads that talk about the dangers and have stopped their cycles and asked for PCT advice (making me think they actually did stop). It happened just the other day actually.

**swm1972** · 02-18-2012, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by FireGuy

Did it not occur to you that this was going to start things up all over again and "stir shit up"? There is no need for either of you to address each other in anyone elses thread.

Fair enough. I apologize.

**swm1972** · 02-18-2012, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by JohnnyVegas

Several kids have been pointed to threads that talk about the dangers and have stopped their cycles and asked for PCT advice (making me think they actually did stop). It happened just the other day actually.

Do you think when they started they hadn't heard it was a bad idea before hand? They probably come here when things are starting to go to shit for them (gyno, impotence, etc) and get good advise to get them back on track. It's good there are some that are willing to listen but from my own experience (I have two teenagers myself 18&19) many in that younger generation think they already have life figured out and aren't receptive to advise until things start to truly go askew.

I'll have to pay attention and look for some
Of those threads. I'm curious if some decent advise pre cycle might have prevented the damage that ended up arising. I see some truly ridiculous cycles being proposed by newer users. I don't have a clue where some of the ideas even come from.

A lot of people don't want to admit this. But the reality of it is this is not a healthy sport. It really isn't. (body building) Not everyone takes it to the extremes pros do. But doing this as an amateur for purely cosmetic purposes... or just to be bigger then the next guy... etc. is in itself a foolish endeavor. It strikes me as hypocritical for people that live as most of us do (or at some time have, that is me. I'm pretty much hRT full time now) to suggest others are ignorant for doing the same things we have chosen to do ourselves.

That is why I leave the moral objections and personal beliefs at the door when I log in. I answer questions that are posed as best I can because to me it's about damage control. To believe this is a healthy lifestyle and we aren't causing some level of damage is delusional.

**JohnnyVegas** · 02-18-2012, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by swm1972

Do you think when they started they hadn't heard it was a bad idea before hand? They probably come here when things are starting to go to shit for them (gyno, impotence, etc) and get good advise to get them back on track. It's good there are some that are willing to listen but from my own experience (I have two teenagers myself 18&19) many in that younger generation think they already have life figured out and aren't receptive to advise until things start to truly go askew.

I'll have to pay attention and look for some
Of those threads. I'm curious if some decent advise pre cycle might have prevented the damage that ended up arising. I see some truly ridiculous cycles being proposed by newer users. I don't have a clue where some of the ideas even come from.

A lot of people don't want to admit this. But the reality of it is this is not a healthy sport. It really isn't. (body building) Not everyone takes it to the extremes pros do. But doing this as an amateur for purely cosmetic purposes... or just to be bigger then the next guy... etc. is in itself a foolish endeavor. It strikes me as hypocritical for people that live as most of us do (or at some time have, that is me. I'm pretty much hRT full time now) to suggest others are ignorant for doing the same things we have chosen to do ourselves.

That is why I leave the moral objections and personal beliefs at the door when I log in. I answer questions that are posed as best I can because to me it's about damage control. To believe this is a healthy lifestyle and we aren't causing some level of damage is delusional.

Young guys stop (or say they are stopping) frequently. This happened yesterday:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...g#.T0AGbeV8CE4

I will also note is was The Bear that pointed him in the right direction. He knows it is possible to help young guys stop before they do damage, and it happens a lot more than you might think. That is why he encourages it. Some guys will listen.

**Julz_W** · 02-18-2012, 05:01 PM

You catch more flies with honey. I can imagine the young people who jump head first into this kind of this is annoying beyond belief. But if at age 19 someone told me you can get massive with this secret stuff - I doubt I'd listen to anyone trying to say "dont do it".

I apologize if I shouldn't have linked old mate to the thread with other tren advice but am always of the belief you're better off to provide more info and let them decide. Arguably if this kid jumps head first into it and it backfires all over himself you can feel you tried.