post cycle bloodwork results

[ucf465]

what are the causes of these results?

LH 10.3 range 1.7-8.6
FSH 1.5 range 1.5-12.4
Estradiol 55.5 range 7.6-42.6
total testosterone 647 range 348-1197

can someone help me with this?

thanks ucf

[DanB]

what did you run for pct?

and what was your cycle?

[AD]

when was the blood test taken? how long after your cycle and pct?

LH is high either cos your pct is good, or your body is trying to recover on its own, to stimulate natural test production.

estradiol is high probably from aromatised test used in your cycle. no AI was used during cycle?

testosterone already back to normal... extremely successful pct? or residual from your cycle? depends on how long post-cycle this blood test was done

your results look good right? are you worried?

[jamotech]

Answer their questions, without more info I cant say....id guess your very recently off cycle and havent started pct yet?

[ucf465]

cycle:
weeks
1-10 250 mg test e e3d
1-10 250 iu hcg e3d
1-11 0.25 adex ed

pct 10 days after last pin (ended jan 23)
nolva 40/40/20/40
clomid 100/100/50

blood work done february 17 (yesterday) morning about an hour after i woke up

why is estro still so high and fsh still low?:

[jamotech]

did your cycle end on jan 23, or pct end on jan 23?

You stopped the ai too soon, probably why e2 is high. You only continued it for a week after last test pin, but the test was active for 3 weeks after last pin. The nolva wont bring down e2 levels, it will only prevent gyno. So, possibly if you stayed on adex for weeks 12 and 13 while the remaining test was still converting in your system your e2 would be lower. Other than that, the numbers dont look bad!

[ucf465]

the pct ended on jan 23. i thought you are supposed to stop ai before pct?

[jandj]

great pct results ! buy more adex just to lower e2

[funkymonk]

what methodology did you use for estradiol, Roche or Sensitive Assay?

[MR10X]

You probably got an estrogen rebound when you stopped the Adex,when the adex gets out of your system you have a lot of the aromatase enzyme still left in your system,You should use aromasin which destroys the enzyme instead of just blocking it. Have your tests redone again in another month when your system is back closer to normal.High estrogen will inhibit FSH.

[ucf465]

im headin to the doctor on tuesday to get checked out. thanks for the input guys i really appreciate it.

ill keep you posted

[jamotech]

the pct ended on jan 23. i thought you are supposed to stop ai before pct?

Yes your correct, but you started pct too early, which also means you stopped adex too early. Hope that clarifies?

[ucf465]

10 days after last pin for test e is to early?

[MR10X]

Your fine,its more important on how much test is in your system when you start PCT than when. 2 weeks is the most recomended.You just dont want to wait untill your test levels are too low before you start PCT,thats what you are trying to avoid is a period of low test.If you were doing 750 or 1000mg a week of test you would have a much higher level of test at the 2 week point than if you did a lower amount like 500mg a week.

[BBrian]

To be on the safe side, you should wait 11 days after your last injection (264 hours to be precise). Enanthate takes 10.5 days to clear your system. But all in all, you did start your PCT at the correct time. The blood work tells the full story though. Your estrogen is too high, having an ill affect on your follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH). For future reference, you should have continued to use your AI for 11 days after your last injection. After all, that enanthate was still aromatizing for that period of time, right? This is why being told to stop taking an AI when you stop your cycle is poor advice. That being said, every other aspect of your blood work looks really good.

[jamotech]

10 days after last pin for test e is to early?

Test E is still active in your system for 14 days after last pin, so yes 10 days is technically too soon. I believe I stated 21 days before and i was incorrect. Were only talking about a few days here, (10 days-14 days) no biggie, but as the others said if you stop taking an ai before test stops aromatizing, your gonna elevate E2. You took your ai for only 7 days past your last test pin, should have been for another week.

Real small nit-picks here ufc, because for the most part you look good. As MR10X said, wait another month for a more accurate off cycle reading.

[ucf465]

thanks again for the help guys. i really appreciate it

[BBrian]

Test E is still active in your system for 14 days after last pin, so yes 10 days is technically too soon. I believe I stated 21 days before and i was incorrect. Were only talking about a few days here, (10 days-14 days) no biggie, but as the others said if you stop taking an ai before test stops aromatizing, your gonna elevate E2. You took your ai for only 7 days past your last test pin, should have been for another week.

Real small nit-picks here ufc, because for the most part you look good. As MR10X said, wait another month for a more accurate off cycle reading.

It seems difficult for me to find consistent answers as to how long different esters stick around. When I do searches through Google, I see numbers that are close but always slightly different. Does anyone have a reliable source that lists active life, half life, and time to clear the system for all of the esters?

[TraPump]

You probably got an estrogen rebound when you stopped the Adex,when the adex gets out of your system you have a lot of the aromatase enzyme still left in your system,You should use aromasin which destroys the enzyme instead of just blocking it. Have your tests redone again in another month when your system is back closer to normal.High estrogen will inhibit FSH.

great info, great post thank you!

[gearbox]

Bbrian That would be a question I would ask Bonaparte

[MR10X]

It seems difficult for me to find consistent answers as to how long different esters stick around. When I do searches through Google, I see numbers that are close but always slightly different. Does anyone have a reliable source that lists active life, half life, and time to clear the system for all of the esters?

There is too much put into what day you should start your PCT when the most important thing is how much test is still in your system when you start PCT.The more test you use the longer it will take to get out of your system.if you use 750mg of test a week you will have more in your system 14 days after your last shot that you will if you use 300mg a week,so you could wait longer to start your PCT with the 750mg a week .You could start your PCT the day after your last shot if you want to,it wont hurt a thing you would just have to do your PCT longer.

[BBrian]

There is too much put into what day you should start your PCT when the most important thing is how much test is still in your system when you start PCT.The more test you use the longer it will take to get out of your system.if you use 750mg of test a week you will have more in your system 14 days after your last shot that you will if you use 300mg a week,so you could wait longer to start your PCT with the 750mg a week .You could start your PCT the day after your last shot if you want to,it wont hurt a thing you would just have to do your PCT longer.

Thanks Mr, that makes a lot of sense. It also adds some logic to tapering down at the very end of a cycle, no?

[ucf465]

Thanks Mr, that makes a lot of sense. It also adds some logic to tapering down at the very end of a cycle, no?

no, this is what old school bodybuilders did back when pct was unheard of. increase dose for consistent gains as per william llewelyn.

[jamotech]

Does anyone have a reliable source that lists active life, half life, and time to clear the system for all of the esters?

Honestly most of my AAS knowledge comes from the stickys here, theres one in the pct forum for active life. Id trust the vets here vs. random google info.

[MR10X]

" Originally Posted by BBrian
Thanks Mr, that makes a lot of sense. It also adds some logic to tapering down at the very end of a cycle, no?"
no, this is what old school bodybuilders did back when pct was unheard of. increase dose for consistent gains as per william llewelyn. "

"no, this is what old school bodybuilders did back when pct was unheard of. increase dose for consistent gains as per william llewelyn. "

Actually when it is recomended to take your last deca or what ever AAS you use with test 2 weeks before your last test shot you are tapering your dose.... Deca,tren ,EQ and most every other steroid will shut your system down just like test... so its more the total amount of ASS you have in your system when you start PCT...And that seems to be the recomended way to do it new school....real old school was to not do PCT at all and just quit taking everything at the same time...

[MR10X]

It seems difficult for me to find consistent answers as to how long different esters stick around. When I do searches through Google, I see numbers that are close but always slightly different. Does anyone have a reliable source that lists active life, half life, and time to clear the system for all of the esters?

I havnt found a source that gives the right half life of the esters,they are all a little bit different,i even tried finding a source for just the esters and couldnt find anything on that.

[BBrian]

I havnt found a source that gives the right half life of the esters,they are all a little bit different,i even tried finding a source for just the esters and couldnt find anything on that.

Even the educational thread does nothing more than list the information that pops up on Google everytime I search. I'm just going to sit down and do the math and stop being lazy.

[gearbox]

seriously lazy bbrian...do the numbers already man! Let me know the results when you are done

[BBrian]

seriously lazy bbrian...do the numbers already man! Let me know the results when you are done

Lol, no problem.