How effective is test for cutting?

[Spintix]

Just out of curiosity how effective is a test eth or cyp only cycle for cutting? If I were to do a cut on a calorie deficit at what point in the cycle should I start the calorie deficit in order to keep my current size and current gains while cutting fat. (Keep in mind the main reason I want to run this cycle is to shred a small portion of abdominal belly fat on a deficit while maintaining my current weight)

[Str8Jakked]

Just out of curiosity how effective is a test eth or cyp only cycle for cutting? If I were to do a cut on a calorie deficit at what point in the cycle should I start the calorie deficit in order to keep my current size and current gains while cutting fat. (Keep in mind the main reason I want to run this cycle is to shred a small portion of abdominal belly fat on a deficit while maintaining my current weight)

Ummm, no... not a good choice.

[10nispro]

I would run prop. or you could try running adex with the test e or c. But diet and cardio will be most important.

[jamotech]

Just out of curiosity how effective is a test eth or cyp only cycle for cutting? If I were to do a cut on a calorie deficit at what point in the cycle should I start the calorie deficit in order to keep my current size and current gains while cutting fat. (Keep in mind the main reason I want to run this cycle is to shred a small portion of abdominal belly fat on a deficit while maintaining my current weight)

If your test is currently low, then adding test would help burn fat, but I wouldnt consider it a cutting cycle. Should be used as a base for a cutting cycle. I also wouldnt do a cutting cycle for ab fat.

[DanB]

I would run prop. or you could try running adex with the test e or c. But diet and cardio will be most important.

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op you still need to put the work in, steroids may aid if used correctly but at end of the day its down to the work you put in and being disciplined with your diet

[Spintix]

I am wondering if at 180lb 5'11 10-12% bf what I should do. The overall goal is 200lb 8% bf. However, for summer I wanted to define my abdominals better by cutting a small portion of fat. I know with a natural cut I will lose mass, thats a given. However, if I use test eth or cyp I am wondering if I can actually gain size while cutting that belly fat while eating a clean bulk diet.. any suggestions?

[dumbtoad]

Naturally with gaining size you'll burn more fat giving you a leaner look. As far as the test actually working as a weight loss agent...nope. Diet and cardio will kick that lil extra fat...

[Spintix]

I put a lot of work in, believe me. The only reason I want to run a cycle (my first cycle) is because I am afraid of losing my mass while trying to get rid of a small portion of belly fat for summer. If I can get bigger while cutting the fat then thats a plus but I really just don't want to lose mass while cutting a small portion of fat. Despite what people may suggest about naturally bulking some more, or cut and then build back up with aas, all I really want to do as of now is to lose a small portion of fat so I can define my abdominals a little better than they are at right now.

[dumbtoad]

I put a lot of work in, believe me. The only reason I want to run a cycle (my first cycle) is because I am afraid of losing my mass while trying to get rid of a small portion of belly fat for summer. If I can get bigger while cutting the fat then thats a plus but I really just don't want to lose mass while cutting a small portion of fat. Despite what people may suggest about naturally bulking some more, or cut and then build back up with aas, all I really want to do as of now is to lose a small portion of fat so I can define my abdominals a little better than they are at right now.

Not questioning your resolve...simple answer...yes, in a roundabout way it'll help.

[Spintix]

sorry that was in response to the person before you

[Gym_]

Test is used as a base on a cutting .. Run test with some T3 and if still not good enough then you can even chuck in some Clen or Albut ..
If you decide to run T3 you will definitely need to run some test with it or you will lose muscle mass as T3 will eat anything

From what i have been reading Test and T3 is a great cutting cycle .. There is no real need to run Test P unless you like getting pinned every couple of days ..
Dont take my word for it thou Run a google search on cutting stacks ull find some good info ..

[FireGuy]

Ummm, no... not a good choice.

What's not a good choice?

If your test is currently low, then adding test would help burn fat, but I wouldnt consider it a cutting cycle. Should be used as a base for a cutting cycle. I also wouldnt do a cutting cycle for ab fat.

You wouldnt do a cutting cycle for ab fat? What kind of fat would you do a cutting cycle for?

Test is used as a base on a cutting .. Run test with some T3 and if still not good enough then you can even chuck in some Clen or Albut ..
If you decide to run T3 you will definitely need to run some test with it or you will lose muscle mass as T3 will eat anything

From what i have been reading Test and T3 is a great cutting cycle .. There is no real need to run Test P unless you like getting pinned every couple of days ..
Dont take my word for it thou Run a google search on cutting stacks ull find some good info ..

You can get shredded on Test E, Test C, Test P, Sust and you dont need T3 or Clen to do it either.

[Gym_]

You can get shredded on Test E, Test C, Test P, Sust and you dont need T3 or Clen to do it either.

True but it makes a pretty big difference in result time and fat amount

[jamotech]

You wouldnt do a cutting cycle for ab fat? What kind of fat would you do a cutting cycle for?

Overall body composition, overall leaner and harder look. I would run on a treadmill and do ab work to get rid of "a small portion of ab fat".

[FireGuy]

True but it makes a pretty big difference in result time and fat amount

So Clen and T3 will allow you to do in 8 weeks what would normally take you 10-12 weeks to do without it. Why not add in some DNP and do it in 6 weeks? My point is there is always another drug you can add or take more of what you are currently taking to speed up your results. Pretty soon people get so dependant on this they end up lazy and not wanting to put in any work to achieve their goals. Unless you are heading below 8% bodyfat I dont see a need to incorporate Clen or T3 in a cutting program. I hit 5% routinely as a natural bodybuilder with nothing more than Ripped Fuel. I would guess 90% of the members on this board could maintain 10% bodyfat year round with nothing more than solid diet and moderate cardio.

[FireGuy]

Overall body composition, overall leaner and harder look. I would run on a treadmill and do ab work to get rid of "a small portion of ab fat".

I think I know what you are trying to say but your initial post was pretty confusing.

[oatmeal69]

... and do ab work to get rid of "a small portion of ab fat".

Still wondering if this actually helps or not. I've been led to believe that diet and cardio alone are what contribute to leaning up.

[FireGuy]

The only way ab work reduces ab fat is by any calories that may have burned while doing the ab work.

[oatmeal69]

The only way ab work reduces ab fat is by any calories that may have burned while doing the ab work.

That's what I figured...

[Deen54]

test will improve your body composition...thus increasing lean muscle mass...and decrease fat mass...steroids in general will do this..diet is also a important factor..eat clean.
cardio will help burn off the fat..and since you are on the test don't worry about losing size the test will maintain it...as long as you have a good supply of protein to feed the muscles.

[oatmeal69]

test will improve your body composition...thus increasing lean muscle mass...and decrease fat mass...steroids in general will do this..

is this really true, or is the jury still out on it actually causing fat loss?

[DeadlyD]

The only way ab work reduces ab fat is by any calories that may have burned while doing the ab work.

^^^^this

[xelnaga]

is this really true, or is the jury still out on it actually causing fat loss?

Test makes fat loss easier and fat gain harder.

[DeadlyD]

is this really true, or is the jury still out on it actually causing fat loss?

Test will build you lean muscle,the lean muscle will help you burn fat. Even without AAS the more lean muscle you have the more efficient your body will burn calories and fat.

[JohnnyVegas]

I have always thought (maybe incorrectly) that the primary reason to use Test while cutting it to help keep mass while in a calorie deficit and doing a lot of cardio. I wish fat disappeared like magic when I injected something (anything), but haven't found anything yet.

[xelnaga]

I have always thought (maybe incorrectly) that the primary reason to use Test while cutting it to help keep mass while in a calorie deficit and doing a lot of cardio. I wish fat disappeared like magic when I injected something (anything), but haven't found anything yet.

^ This should be your only expectation of testosterone while cutting.

[BokBok]

I have always thought (maybe incorrectly) that the primary reason to use Test while cutting it to help keep mass while in a calorie deficit and doing a lot of cardio. I wish fat disappeared like magic when I injected something (anything), but haven't found anything yet.

Sad thing is the health, fitness and diet industry are selling these magical fat burning pills and potions to people that have no clue.

[1T2]

I've used 400mg-500mg a wk Test E in the past and I was able to cut. Of course I put on some mass, but I was able to cut an amazing amount in body fat in a short period of time. It's all in the routine.

[FireGuy]

The fact anyone is even doubting whether or not you can get cut on Test is a bit perplexing to me. You realize most competitive bodybuilders run high doses of Test up until 1-4 weeks from the day of their show.

[Spintix]

This is all very encouraging but I am still trying to decide what diet to run. I am wondering if at 180 10-12% bf and 5'11 if I should cut on a calorie deficit to maintain mass and cut the fat over my abs OR should I continue a clean bulk and in the process I will gain enough mass to make a difference in the abdominal fat. Both scenarios are to accomplish the goal of losing a small portion of stomach fat without losing mass.

[oatmeal69]

That's what I felt like with my first cycle. I gained hard lean muscle, and dropped BF simultaneously. Just wanted to be sure it wasn't a fluke...

[Spintix]

That's what I felt like with my first cycle. I gained hard lean muscle, and dropped BF simultaneously. Just wanted to be sure it wasn't a fluke...

What was your diet like during that cycle?

[oatmeal69]

It was very good. I had worked here getting it dialed in before my cycle.
I have another thread in the over 40 forum about the next cycle I'm about to start, The diet was very similar.

[xelnaga]

It was very good. I had worked here getting it dialed in before my cycle.
I have another thread in the over 40 forum about the next cycle I'm about to start, The diet was very similar.

Specifics would help a lot. I think Spin was trying to understand what kind of diet leads to lean mass as well as a drop in body fat. Thanks !

[hankdiesel]

The fact anyone is even doubting whether or not you can get cut on Test is a bit perplexing to me. You realize most competitive bodybuilders run high doses of Test up until 1-4 weeks from the day of their show.

You're right man. I thought these guys were smarter. My first cycle ever I gained no weight. I was exactly the same weight the day I started it and when I started my pct. My body however changed more than I ever thought possible. My diet was spot on and I did cardio. I got veiny, hard, and looked way bigger. It was test cyp only.

[Spintix]

You're right man. I thought these guys were smarter. My first cycle ever I gained no weight. I was exactly the same weight the day I started it and when I started my pct. My body however changed more than I ever thought possible. My diet was spot on and I did cardio. I got veiny, hard, and looked way bigger. It was test cyp only.

hank this is exactly what I want to do. did you do your first cycle on a calorie deficit? 6 small meals a day?

[oatmeal69]

Specifics would help a lot. I think Spin was trying to understand what kind of diet leads to lean mass as well as a drop in body fat. Thanks !

As I said, I have another thread in the over 40 forum about the next cycle I'm about to start, The diet was very similar.
Here is a link:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...nd-cycle-diary

[JohnnyVegas]

The fact anyone is even doubting whether or not you can get cut on Test is a bit perplexing to me. You realize most competitive bodybuilders run high doses of Test up until 1-4 weeks from the day of their show.

I don't doubt you can get cut on Test. My last cut went very well. I have always thought (maybe incorrectly, as stated before) that the primary benefit I get from using Test while cutting is to preserve muscle (or even continue small gains) while in a calorie deficit. The test didn't seem to greatly increase fat loss for me. My only comment was that it isn't magic, the results still come from hard work.

I don't think I am arguing with you...but please correct me if my anecdotal observations are incorrect. I am here to listen to folks with more experience.

[gearbox]

I don't doubt you can get cut on Test. My last cut went very well. I have always thought (maybe incorrectly, as stated before) that the primary benefit I get from using Test while cutting is to preserve muscle (or even continue small gains) while in a calorie deficit. The test didn't seem to greatly increase fat loss for me. My only comment was that it isn't magic, the results still come from hard work.

I don't think I am arguing with you...but please correct me if my anecdotal observations are incorrect. I am here to listen to folks with more experience.

do you think maybe you are not running it high enough or your body does not react the same anymore after continued use..no clue how many cycles you hae done..

[JohnnyVegas]

do you think maybe you are not running it high enough or your body does not react the same anymore after continued use..no clue how many cycles you hae done..

I wasn't saying it didn't help with fat loss, I was saying it wasn't magic. I don't rely on it for fat loss, I still need to do lots of cardio. Mostly I meant that people shouldn't use AAS as a diet tool. The OP said his goal was to shed a small amount of abdominal fat while maintaining his current weight. I thought doing a cycle for that was overkill.

Hopefully you aren't taking my comment to mean it zero effect on fat loss. That isn't what I meant at all...I stated that my last cut went very well.

Crap, in explaining myself it sounds like I am arguing. I'm not.