test e and eq cycle (2nd)

[jpowell]

sup fellas,
on friday of this week I'm going to go on my second cycle. first one consisted of winny tabs 50 mg. this cycle is gonna be test e and eq--
goals of this cycle are cut bf, increase mass. gain quality muscle.

but with all the info on the site, some conflicting, and some with different preferences, just wanted your opinions on wat to run per week. i have clo and nol on hand for pct. shod i invest in an ai like liquidex?

stats
26
220
5'10"
bf 19%

specific goal: get down to about 13% bf by end of this cycle.

thanks guys any help is appreciated

[jpowell]

bump!

[jasc]

What happened to that avatar?!

I'd go Test E 500mg/wk for 12 weeks.

Definitely get n use an ai on cycle.

HCG would also be beneficial

Can't comment on EQ, never used it, prob never will.

PCT: Nolva 40/20/20/20 n Clo 100/50/50/50...
(I like to taper doses down during wk 5, personal preference)

[Hazard]

^^^^ This.....

Since you have never run test before..... run it by itself and see how your body reacts. The EQ honestly wont do anything for you anyways. It doesn't "solidify" gains or give more "keepable" gains like many think. How much you keep from a cycle isn't determined by the compound you use.....

~Haz~

[jpowell]

aah--thanks bros! jasc--noticed i changed the avi lol. good to see u guys pay attention to details!

now a question on the pct?..i have ar-r products so they come with the ml dropper-- since there is no exact conversion how do i dose rite?
clo 70 mL 35mg/mL
Tamox 50mL 20mg/mL

i will look into HCG--but ill proli end up ordering som liquidex today to have sometime next week.

[gixxerboy1]

aah--thanks bros! jasc--noticed i changed the avi lol. good to see u guys pay attention to details!

now a question on the pct?..i have ar-r products so they come with the ml dropper-- since there is no exact conversion how do i dose rite?
clo 70 mL 35mg/mL
Tamox 50mL 20mg/mL

i will look into HCG--but ill proli end up ordering som liquidex today to have sometime next week.

what do you mean there is no conversion. The tomax is 20mg per ml. So if you want to take 10mg you take half a ml. If you want 40mg you take 2ml. No different then figuring out how much to inject with your vials of test

[Blergs]

sup fellas,
on friday of this week I'm going to go on my second cycle. first one consisted of winny tabs 50 mg. this cycle is gonna be test e and eq--
goals of this cycle are cut bf, increase mass. gain quality muscle.

but with all the info on the site, some conflicting, and some with different preferences, just wanted your opinions on wat to run per week. i have clo and nol on hand for pct. shod i invest in an ai like liquidex?

stats
26
220
5'10"
bf 19%

specific goal: get down to about 13% bf by end of this cycle.

thanks guys any help is appreciated

yes get an AI and have it on hand in case needed . ( I like letro myself ran at 0.6-1.2mg e3d)
I would rec the eq/test ran like this for second cycle:

wk1-14 500mg EQ ew
wl1-15 300-500mg teste ew * I would even rec the test go to wk16*

if all you need is an AI i rec our one of our sponsers here for lab study purposes. ;-)

[Blergs]

some like to run EQ longer (say 16-18wks) but its a good idea to run the test 1-2 weeks longer so when you do PCT it is more optimal.

I personally dont like EQ, felt i got more out of the same amount of test and + an AI just as dry, so for me i think its a waste and would opt for primo, maste, tren, over eq.

some like to though so, good luck! :-)

[Blergs]

^^^^ This.....

Since you have never run test before..... run it by itself and see how your body reacts. The EQ honestly wont do anything for you anyways. It doesn't "solidify" gains or give more "keepable" gains like many think. How much you keep from a cycle isn't determined by the compound you use.....

~Haz~

Agreed, Id much rather rec a test only cycle with an AI on hand. even adding provarion in there would be nice to free up more test and add to gains and libido. (atleast I love it on cycle or maste even on bulking its very nice)

if you have not gotten your supplies yet, consider this:

wk1-14 500mg teste ew
wk1-15 25-50mg provarion ed
wk15-19 PCT
*AI on hand

and then maybe next time add it, or even add somthing else like 6wks of tbol or stack it with maste next go around. many options. but for first cycle keep it simple.

[jpowell]

thanks eveybody for input and advice. i have evrything except the ai. so the consenus seems to be hold off on the eq n just do test. thanks gixxer for ur input on dosage. im very open to the help n advice. i wont realize until arnd week 6 that the supps r n my system, so how does it make u feel wk 1-5? n then when it hits u hows that feel?

[Kansas City Boy]

When using a Testosterone.... An AI should always be on hand, especially if you are still pretty new to the game. There's not a worse feeling than having Gyno symptoms with no AI on hand. You will only make that mistake once.


Lastly, Test E @ 500mg/week (250mg twice a week) will give you significant gains. The EQ is up to you, they are both relatively mild AAS. I ran a Test E / EQ cycle for my second cycle and loved it. Just make sure you run the EQ at least 500mg/week (Preferably 600mg)

Week 12 to 14 for EQ

2 weeks longer with the Test, 14 to 16


Start your pct 2 weeks after last test injection


GL

Keep us posted

[jpowell]

for sure mate!

how did your cycle go? as far as gains/losses?
Obvi my goals are to cut, but I'm thinking with this cycle, shod i mod my diet to a lean bulk? i no i need to up pro and cals with these sups.
also still seeking info on how i will no when the test kicks in.

[oatmeal69]

... how i will no when the test kicks in.

You'll know.

[jpowell]

^ bad ass answer!

[Blergs]

When using a Testosterone.... An AI should always be on hand, especially if you are still pretty new to the game. There's not a worse feeling than having Gyno symptoms with no AI on hand. You will only make that mistake once.


Lastly, Test E @ 500mg/week (250mg twice a week) will give you significant gains. The EQ is up to you, they are both relatively mild AAS. I ran a Test E / EQ cycle for my second cycle and loved it. Just make sure you run the EQ at least 500mg/week (Preferably 600mg)

Week 12 to 14 for EQ

2 weeks longer with the Test, 14 to 16


Start your pct 2 weeks after last test injection


GL

Keep us posted

good advice agreed.

to the thread starter, we have great sponsers here (AR-R) that carry pritty high quality research chems, that are great for any sort of lab study. some of them are AI's.
not for human consumtion though. ;-)

[jpowell]

gotta question on pinning. as i am fairly new to the pin game, i have test 400, my first pin was on friday, 400mgs of test + 300 mgs of eq. how do i need to pin? follow the 3.5 day rule for this or will 1x weekly suffice. ino my goal is to normalize n b consistent with levels, but im thinking 1x a week is not enough.

[jpowell]

bump

[Bulkn]

Twice a week is standard and will keep blood levels pretty stable.

[jpowell]

tryna keep this current and get help.

as I've entered my 3rd week on the t400 and eq300, i have noticed that my energy is damn near gone. I'm very tired, and can't fight the sleep when it attacks during the day. I have been sleeping 7.5-8.5 hours at night. diet is at a defict as I'm tryn to cut. i have my diet and macros avail need we need to discuss. idk wats going on?

[gixxerboy1]

are you using an ai?

[jpowell]

yes on hand. but not using. i was told to use only if sore, itchy funny feelings n my nipples.

[Hazard]

A high red blood cell count could cause lethargy but I doubt EQ would do this after only 3 weeks.....

~Haz~

[oatmeal69]

Do a search for Swifto's PCT threads. He's of the opinion that an A.I. should be taken throughout the cycle regardless. It makes TONS of sense.

[jpowell]

ok i will do. r u thinking its sumthng im doing wrong like i shod stop.

[bermich]

You arent still doing 1 shot a week are you?

[jpowell]

You arent still doing 1 shot a week are you?

i switched this week, so ill do my second pin 2maro. n then keep it at 2x week/ e3d m/th split

[titan13]

How much test and eq are you running per week?

[jpowell]

400 mg of test, 300 mg of eq.

[jpowell]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...o#.T1gcfFG2BSU

i found this. good read. so i guess ill start to use my ai an monitor my actions.

[oatmeal69]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...o#.T1gcfFG2BSUi found this. good read. so i guess ill start to use my ai an monitor my actions.

Yeah, that's the one. Long read, but TOTALLY worth it.