2nd cycle idea after alot of reading

[Nebuchadnezzar]

hello
iam 24 years old.
5'10"
around 195 lbs not sure .
not more than 12% BF ... full abs showing
been training about 3 years. did 1 cycle of test prop.
diet is really good

my idea was long esters cycle
Test E 500mg/wk lets say 1-15 weeks
Primo 700mg/wk 1-15
Masteron E 400mg/wk 1-15
anavar OR winstrol at the last 5 weeks of the cycle up to 1 day before PCT

HCG and aromaisn throughout

nolvadex, clomid. vitamin E for pct ( starts 2 weeks after last test e injection)

i welcome and ideas or changes
i can get legit stuff. only primo im kind of worried cuz i have read alot that 90% of it out there is bunk!

Thank you

[gixxerboy1]

looks good but i would drop the primo. its not worth it IMO

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Thanx for the replay
i have heard primo is good with high doses for long cycle. and u will add pure muscle
but im guessing you are speaking cost/ effeciancy ratio. it will cost over a thousand bucks which is expensive
what do you think of adding EQ at 600mg/wk insted and run it a week less so i take 3 weeks off before pct
or something else . maybe Npp at the last 8 weeks or so ?
i really want to add good amount of muscle and stay cut. my diet is really good. i havent cheated in months

[Bertuzzi]

Just curious why you are gonna run Test E this time instead of Prop again.... you could run prop and mast prop for an 8 or 10 weeks cycle and not have to shut yourself down for so long. Either way is fine.... I am just curious. Most guys don't wanna run prop cuz of the injections but you've already done it.

Like I said, just curious.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Just curious why you are gonna run Test E this time instead of Prop again.... you could run prop and mast prop for an 8 or 10 weeks cycle and not have to shut yourself down for so long. Either way is fine.... I am just curious. Most guys don't wanna run prop cuz of the injections but you've already done it.

Like I said, just curious.

well i did test prop and winstrol which was good. i ended up with 5% BF and 180 lbs
but i thought try long esters cause the pinning everyday was horrible.
you think its better to do 8 weeks of prop and masteron ?
what about orals ? or npp ?

[Bertuzzi]

well i did test prop and winstrol which was good. i ended up with 5% BF and 180 lbs
but i thought try long esters cause the pinning everyday was horrible.
you think its better to do 8 weeks of prop and masteron ?
what about orals ? or npp ?

I personally like short cycles but its all preference. It makes more sense to shut yourself down less or for shorter peroids rather than longer.

Prop and Mast with some var for 8 weeks would yeild nice results, but you can go with your original cycle plan too, its ups to you.

[stpete]

well i did test prop and winstrol which was good. i ended up with 5% BF and 180 lbs
but i thought try long esters cause the pinning everyday was horrible.
you think its better to do 8 weeks of prop and masteron ?
what about orals ? or npp ?

Prop and NPP is one of my favorites. And it's ok to pin EOD.

[Bertuzzi]

Prop and NPP is one of my favorites. And it's ok to pin EOD.

Thats was my last cycle and it will be my next cycle when I am ready in 2013. Love the prop + NPP!

[alexISthrowed]

Prop and npp is my favorite bulker so far, haven't tried tren on a bulk yet though. If you have the masteron on hand how about running a low dose (300mg ew) with 500mg test prop and 350mg npp. I ran that during my bulk this winter and loved it, the masteron helped keep bloating down and it helps with shbg.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Prop and npp is my favorite bulker so far, haven't tried tren on a bulk yet though. If you have the masteron on hand how about running a low dose (300mg ew) with 500mg test prop and 350mg npp. I ran that during my bulk this winter and loved it, the masteron helped keep bloating down and it helps with shbg.

yeah Tren is scary i wont touch it. plus im only 24 lol
so im guessing 7 weeks is good cuz in last cycle after 7th week i felt i stopped gaining
soooo
Week 1-7 Test Prop 100mg/EOD
Week 1-7 NPP 75mg/EOD
Week 1-6 Masteron 100mg/EOD
Week 4-7 Winstrol 50 mg/EOD

HCG, Dostinex, Aromaisn ( DURING CYCLE)
Nolvadex, Clomid ( PCT)


alexISthrowed iam not trying to BULK UP. just get to sub 10% And add some quality muscle
not like 30 lbs of whatever muscle/fat
so does it work ?
cuz i went down to less than 10% with strict diet

[gixxerboy1]

at 24 and 2nd cycle i would use 4 things.
prop and npp would be fine alone

[Granovich]

at 24 and 2nd cycle i would use 4 things.
prop and npp would be fine alone

he already used the winstrol
and masteron isnt that really harsh from what i read
it actually reduces the sides of other steroids

[gixxerboy1]

he already used the winstrol
and masteron isnt that really harsh from what i read
it actually reduces the sides of other steroids

it says he only used test prop before.
i agree mast isnt harsh, but with that mentality you can keep adding in other things to because they arent harsh.
im of the mindset take as little as needed to grow. why do more then you have to?

[Granovich]

it says he only used test prop before.
i agree mast isnt harsh, but with that mentality you can keep adding in other things to because they arent harsh.
im of the mindset take as little as needed to grow. why do more then you have to?

he said that in one of the comments lol
you are right 4 compounds are alot for a second cycle.
well if you do them then at least keep low dose