getting first cycle tomorrow...need a little advice

[stb103]

after alot of reading and your valued input im not going to over do it for first time. im getting sust tomorrow and will do just that to be safe. ive read the topic to see if its fake and will apply that before the purchase. any aditional information as to what to look for to be certain its legit would be helpful. how do i know if the price is high or not? after reading multiple post i think the pin i need is 30 ml barrel abd inch and a half pin is this correct? and using the glute and quad is there a specific area where i should use? and lastly this may sound dumb but when the time comes for pct i know nov and comid seems to be the choice products, are these as hard to find and the sust was or can i get online.....not sure of the legal issues with these products. thanks again guys, learned alot from you and will continue to learn.

[stpete]

Take a pic and post it in the picture forum. Make sure you black out anything regarding the lab. Nah, a 30ml barrel is a bit much. 3ml will do just fine. I'm just busting your balls, i know that was a typo.

[gixxerboy1]

you can get clomid and nolva from ar-r

[JonnyConcrete]

you can get clomid and nolva from ar-r

Is that site legit? I just thought you weren't allowed to list sources....

[gixxerboy1]

Is that site legit? I just thought you weren't allowed to list sources....

yes they are legit, they are a sponsor of this site. They sell research chemicals that are legal

[JonnyConcrete]

yes they are legit, they are a sponsor of this site. They sell research chemicals that are legal

Ah fair doos, thanks for clarifying.

[Stosh_112]

Good luck bro, how many weeks are u planning to run?

[lovbyts]

Get your PCT supplies BEFORE you start your cycle. If you have learned anything #1 is diet, #2 is to ALWAYS have all your gear (including PCT) on hand before you start.

[stb103]

thanks guys...as for length doing the slingshot 8 week reload 2 week deload 8 week reload 2 week deload with pct then start again.....and thanks for the ar-r...wasnt going to start without pct but i have 18 weeks till needed. thanks again.

[marcus300]

thanks guys...as for length doing the slingshot 8 week reload 2 week deload 8 week reload 2 week deload with pct then start again.....and thanks for the ar-r...wasnt going to start without pct but i have 18 weeks till needed. thanks again.

No need to do a slingshot on your first cycle, its way to much. Stick with a standard 10-12 wk cycle at 500mgs with a solid pct.


What are your stats?

[stb103]

its too much? his article says its fine for first time. the more i read the more confusing this becomes. im 5,7 185lbs. good build found out bf is 15%

[songdog]

I would listen to Marcus his advise is sound.Find out how you like and do on aas before you commit to doing aas year round.Beacuse it will have lasting effects when you quit.

[lovbyts]

Yeah and we read post ever day from people who have it planned out perfectly like you then all of the sudden they dont know why their shipment is taking so long, if it got lost, seized or there supplier is out of product. Get it ahead of time, dont wait. ar-r had even ran out of product before and suspended sales so dont be another statistic.

[stb103]

i went to the site and couldnt find it, does it have a different name?

[Stosh_112]

What are ya lookin for?

[stb103]

can i run without it or should i wait?

[marcus300]

Well imho I don't think its subtitle for a first timer. You don't need to be on cycle for 20 wks on your first run. It's way to long and its not needed.

[gearbox]

not sure on your nolva daily question?
Get an ai from ar-r and clomid/nolva?

Listen to Marcus on the sling shot, that is way to long to be shut down your first time around. Sling shot is for people who are very serious about aas imo, and your likelyhood of being on trt for life increases a lot when running a cycle for that long. Also hcg is needed if you are running past 10-12 weeks. Many run it every cycle.
Get your ai
get nolva/clomid for pct (run for 4 weeks)

[stb103]

ok thanks man your a big help ill order my clomid, nolva, and liquiddex now. im almost done bugging you, last question i googled what u said and found drops? does that sound right?

[gixxerboy1]

ok thanks man your a big help ill order my clomid, nolva, and liquiddex now. im almost done bugging you, last question i googled what u said and found drops? does that sound right?

no problem, glad i can help. check ar-r section on the board. i think they have some sales going on you may find a discount code.
No real hcg is injectable.

[stb103]

damn already ordered...lol oh well next time. not to push the issue but anything to look for in paticular when getting a hcg

[jasc]

damn already ordered...lol oh well next time. not to push the issue but anything to look for in paticular when getting a hcg

not really.. Injectable in powder form is about it.. most likely has to be ordered overseas since it requires a script in the U.S.

As far as your drops, read over the box. I bet in small letters somewhere it says "hormone free" in which case they are herbal alternatives. I've heard legit drops exist, but have never seen them.

[stb103]

yeah have no clue what or where to get, think ill skip rather than putting something in me that i dont know if its the right stuff....or any help if u could

[JonnyConcrete]

yeah have no clue what or where to get, think ill skip rather than putting something in me that i dont know if its the right stuff....or any help if u could

Tbh I'd be very cautious about buying HCG from some the sights you see on google lolz.

[stb103]

ok maybe in time when my post grow ill get some help, thanks again.

[Dmitri Diablo]

I've seen hcg that say "no water included". So is this a powder that needs to be mixed with bac water?

[gearbox]

I've seen hcg that say "no water included". So is this a powder that needs to be mixed with bac water?

yes, however they do sell premixed also.

[Dmitri Diablo]

So is mixing a pain in the ass?

[jasc]

I've seen hcg that say "no water included". So is this a powder that needs to be mixed with bac water?

yes.. any hcg you buy should be in powder form n you reconstitute it with bac water.
Once reconstituted it has a rather short shelf life, is sensitive to disturbances, and needs to be kept refrigerated n in the dark. So its rare to find someone selling it pre-mixed. If you see someone selling pre-mixed n it's not your local pharmacist avoid it.

[jasc]

So is mixing a pain in the ass?

very easy to mix

[stb103]

hcg, was told to get it, i have everything else, my sust, liquiddex, clomid, and nolva. just missing this last piece of the puzzle to start.

[lovbyts]

You can run without but it's becoming a normal protocol for cycle. We live and learn. It's better to use it in most peoples opinions, kind of smooths everything out. Better overall well being and keeps the boys/balls working properly. Make recovery easier.

[saitou187]

umm i'm no expert but 30ml barrel isn't that pretty huge? did u mean 3ml?

[stb103]

lol yes typo i have 22 and 23 gauge.

[gearbox]

you are using 22 or 23 g to pin. I draw with a 23g and pin with a 25g. pain was considerably less for me when using a 25 g needle.

[Blergs]

you are using 22 or 23 g to pin. I draw with a 23g and pin with a 25g. pain was considerably less for me when using a 25 g needle.

same, but for glutes i rec 23 1.5" for delts 1" 25g.

[Blergs]

after alot of reading and your valued input im not going to over do it for first time. im getting sust tomorrow and will do just that to be safe. ive read the topic to see if its fake and will apply that before the purchase. any aditional information as to what to look for to be certain its legit would be helpful. how do i know if the price is high or not? after reading multiple post i think the pin i need is 30 ml barrel abd inch and a half pin is this correct? and using the glute and quad is there a specific area where i should use? and lastly this may sound dumb but when the time comes for pct i know nov and comid seems to be the choice products, are these as hard to find and the sust was or can i get online.....not sure of the legal issues with these products. thanks again guys, learned alot from you and will continue to learn.

YES it matters and there is! It would be VERY VERY OH MY LORD VERY ...PAINFUL to hit the nerve running down the middle of your ass cheek. It would be crippling!
I’m not trying to scare you. I did a glut shot not long ago. But you have to know what you’re doing...

here is a link that may help:

Glute: http://www.howtodoinjections.com/IM/glutes.html

Delt: http://www.howtodoinjections.com/IM/delts.html (I rec middle delt)

And I say don’t bother with quad shots, there’s lots of veins there and I found it too much. Gluts and delts.
For glutes use a mirror you can stand in front of. It helps to see.

[Blergs]

23 is fine for genral though so if only that no worries.

[BBrian]

YES it matters and there is! It would be VERY VERY OH MY LORD VERY ...PAINFUL to hit the nerve running down the middle of your ass cheek. It would be crippling!
I’m not trying to scare you. I did a glut shot not long ago. But you have to know what you’re doing...

here is a link that may help:

Glute: http://www.howtodoinjections.com/IM/glutes.html

Delt: http://www.howtodoinjections.com/IM/delts.html (I rec middle delt)

And I say don’t bother with quad shots, there’s lots of veins there and I found it too much. Gluts and delts.
For glutes use a mirror you can stand in front of. It helps to see.

I have to seriously disagree. The quadriceps are my favorite places to inject, hands down. It's been shown that larger muscles are able to absorb compounds much more efficiently than smaller ones. I can only guess that the factor involves how much more bloodflow there is in the quad and glute compared to a smaller muscle such as the delt or tricep. Also, when we're injecting every day or every other day, only using the glutes and delts is NOT going to cut it. If you don't space out your injection sites enough, you end up with too much scar tissue and pools of oil that will negate absorption. There are so many places on the quad that I inject it is ridiculous. I started out using only two places on each quad, but now I probably use somewhere around five places on each quad, and I have no problems with hitting veins or nerves. The only time this has happened was about a year and a half ago when I got too close to the sciatic nerve on my left quad, but that was because I just pinned too close to the side, when I should have been focusing on the outer corner of my thigh. I inject test, deca, HCG, and Vitamin B12, and I inject every day. If it weren't for the diversity of injection sites that my quads offered, I'd be in serious trouble.

[Blergs]

I have to seriously disagree. The quadriceps are my favorite places to inject, hands down. It's been shown that larger muscles are able to absorb compounds much more efficiently than smaller ones. I can only guess that the factor involves how much more bloodflow there is in the quad and glute compared to a smaller muscle such as the delt or tricep. Also, when we're injecting every day or every other day, only using the glutes and delts is NOT going to cut it. If you don't space out your injection sites enough, you end up with too much scar tissue and pools of oil that will negate absorption. There are so many places on the quad that I inject it is ridiculous. I started out using only two places on each quad, but now I probably use somewhere around five places on each quad, and I have no problems with hitting veins or nerves. The only time this has happened was about a year and a half ago when I got too close to the sciatic nerve on my left quad, but that was because I just pinned too close to the side, when I should have been focusing on the outer corner of my thigh. I inject test, deca, HCG, and Vitamin B12, and I inject every day. If it weren't for the diversity of injection sites that my quads offered, I'd be in serious trouble.

I some what agree, pinning too often in same spot can lead to a steril absess and can turn septic over tiem if you dotn stop pinnign there and allowing whats there to dessolve and absorb.
but for me I hit:
front delt
mid delt
glutes

for me thats nuff.
I will agree that you may need more. I was doing primo 900mg ew (thats alot of oil) + 500mg teste. and I ended up starting to develop a sterile absess in my glute. ( I was using mid delts and gluts)
how do I know? well one day about 13 weeks in I aspirated white stuff came out. I ended cycle for 2 month sticking with only 500mg teste ew..
at the time I did not ever pin front delts.
now I am doign somthing simaler but only using 500mg ew primo, 200mg maste ew, 250mg teste ew and 50-100mg anadrol ed (6wks).

you DEFF have to not pin too often or TO much int he same spot. this I agree. but I still dont like quad shots, maybe I have more vains in leg then you or there bigger, not sure. but I hope I dont meet the day I need to keep pinning them. one cycle was nuff for me.