dosing

[d420mac]

Is it possible to inject winny, and test E together in one pin? Also is it fine to pin winny EOD and take the orals inbetween, should the dosage be the same pinned as oral, I've read a few places that the oral dose was less than the injected dose?


Mon Test E 250mg, 60mg winny pinned
Tue 60mg winny oral
Wed 60 mg winny oral
Thur Test E 250mg, 60mg winny pinned
Fri 60mg winny oral
Sat 60mg winny pinned
Sun 60mg winny oral

[DanB]

in theory yes you could but i dont see why you would?

what are your stats?

[jpowell]

y do oral n pin?

[d420mac]

to save on injections not a big fan of it, but to save the liver a bit

[DanB]

personally i would pick one or the other, the doses for the oral and injectable wont be the same and there is no definate formula to match the doses

your over complicating things

what are your stats

[d420mac]

5'6"
220
fairly active work out 5 days a week
not sure of my BF%

I did an 8 week cycle in the past and was very happy with the results, basically doing the same thing just upping my test dosage and going the whole 10 weeks

Been on the test for two weeks starting week 3 tomorrow so far no issues, starting winny tomorrow.

[DanB]

age?

unless your low bodyfat 8-12% then winny is a waste of time

if your 8-12% at 5'6 220lbs then im impressed but no offense i doubt it, especially after only 1 prior cycle

drop the winny until your leaner

what is your planned pct?

[jpowell]

personally i would pick one or the other, the doses for the oral and injectable wont be the same and there is no definate formula to match the doses

your over complicating things

what are your stats

exactly what i thought, which is y i asked.

[d420mac]

30
yeah I'm sure I'm a higher in The BF range, I'm thinking closer to 20% that's part of why I want the winny.
It helped me lean out a bunch last time about 2 years ago went from 230 to 190 in a few months, felt like a brick.

I'm not too worried about getting ready to show off, just build a more muscle, and lean out a bit.
nolvadex 40mg ED 4 weeks

[DanB]

winny wont drop weight its your diet and cardio that determines that

what are your daily macros?

you need clomid with the nolvadex for pct

are you running an a.i. to regualte estrogen while on cycle?

[d420mac]

yeah that's what I did last time 50mg oral, and shots EOD that's why I was asking I was overseas, and all I could get was 1 bottle of orals, and the rest amps. so that's what I did. I'll be placing one more order I'll get the orals. but already have a vial on the way.

[d420mac]

currently 40mg of proviron ED but was planning on upping it, why would you need clomid aswell as the nova?

[DanB]

proviron isnt an a.i. it may do the job but it isnt ideal, armidex or aromasin would be my choice

here is clomids profile, have a read of it yourself
http://www.steroid.com/Clomid.php

[DanB]

alot of good info on pct, a.i. hcg etc here

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...l#.T1Ql-3ktmSo

[d420mac]

I've read great things about Nolvadex on the website aswell, basically the same as clomid, but stronger, So I'm not sure why you would suggest both?

[DanB]

im not going into a long write up and linking studys because its late but basically they work in slightly different ways to accomplish the same goal, clomid gives more LH stimulation,helps kickstart natty test while nolva gives more estrogen i.e. gyno protection water retention etc by binding to estrogen receptors and basically blocking them and if pct with both is more effective then why not just spend the few $$$ extra and use both

[d420mac]

I'm not arguing with you, just trying to understand. How would you recommend they are used in the 4 week PCT?

[DanB]

for a simple test cycle, pct will start 3,14,18 days after last injection depending on what type of test it is
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...s#.T1QxsHktmSo
this thread lists the common start times for you

pct would be clomid 50/50/25/25 or even 100 for first week and nolvadex 40/40/20/20

[BBrian]

Just to answer your question outright, there is no harm in combining the test and winstrol, even if the winstrol is water-based.