coming to an end of my cycle...pct confirmation?

**monstr85** · 03-05-2012, 11:45 PM

Hey i have 3 weeks left of my test e cycle, planning on running clomid /nolva 14 days after last shot 100/50/50/50 and 40/40/40/40....i beeb runing hcg 250iux2 a week since week 4 and will until last week of cycle, i also have a 1500iu of hcg left and some bacwater left over ive heard and read is good to run hcg for like 10 days after cycle so looking for advice on this....i also plan on running tribulus, virility power, and macca during pct as ive read they can aid while on pct, any advice would be great.

**xelnaga** · 03-05-2012, 11:52 PM

Stop HCG when you start pct.

**xelnaga** · 03-05-2012, 11:53 PM

Running hcg off cycle will have adverse effects on your recovery.

**lifeiswheyeasy** · 03-05-2012, 11:53 PM

HCG & PCT

Post Cycle Therapy actually starts from the beginning of the cycle... To ensure recovery during PCT, HCG is used to keep the leydig cells of the testes functioning throughout the cycle so that shutdown doesn't happen... Each shot of HCG triggers a peak output in 72hrs... taking shots sooner then 72hrs can run the risk of overstimulation which can impede their output... Clinical studies do take shots every 48hrs but for our use I would prefer to err on the side of caution... anyway for our needs taking the shots e3d or 2 X a week works great... but I must say that e3d is optimal... HCG needs to be started from the beginning of the cycle, contrary to what most guys believe, shutdown starts when they take their first steroid shot and the body quickly notices an androgen and starts to shutdown its production of test... Waiting longer to start runs the risk that partial shutdown happens and not all the leydig cells will respond...

What I have recommended in the past is either 500iu's e3d or 500iu 2 X a week from the beginning of the cycle until 4 days before PCT starts... what I would like to see changed is to take 1500iu's for each of the last 2 shots... this will ensure full functioning for when PCT starts... My PCT recommendation will stay the same except now I'll recommend that as little as 25mg of clomid a day is highly effective at stimulating normal test production... Week 1-3 of PCT = 25-100mg clomid ed,,,You choose your dose of clomid as anything in that range works great. Week 1-6 of PCT = 25mg Aromasin ed... I would like to add that its been shown in clinical studies that as little as 25mg ed of clomid is effective to stimulate normal test production and at this dose no negative sides were noted so if you used clomid in the past and didn't like the negative sides then it may have been dose related... Gustavo77 found this study and this info is sure to help out alot of guys that would normally get negative sides from clomid and at this 25mg dose they can now bipass the negative sides yet be very effective... Here is the link to the study... This study will show test levels 600+ which is good... Other studies that I havn't given a link to yet show test levels 800+ when 100mg is taken... so its your choice to how much clomid you want to take as both doses are effective...

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deca and tren can shut guys down hard and the last 2 shots of HCG being 1500iu's will greatly help ensure full funtioning before PCT starts...

Anytime you use deca or tren , Cabaser(Cabergoline, Dostinex) needs to be used from the beginning and through PCT... I find that taking a smaller dose ed works best and it keeps the libido up and running much better... .25mg ed works great for me... less or more can be taken to find what works for you...

Precautions
As with any drug you should be aware of any potential side affects and clomid does have the potential for a certain side affect that is rare and I've never known anyone to get it at all yet I believe you should be aware of it so you can make an imformed judgement before using it for the first time...

found this and thought it was some good info

**monstr85** · 03-05-2012, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by xelnaga

Stop HCG when you start pct.

Right but i thought running the hcg for a few days after the last shot would be beneficial in bringing faster function of natty levels...i could of sworn i read it somewhere...i also read it would help keep or should help keep more gains.