250 mg of test e a week

[maxmuscle1090]

im just curious if anyone has had any type of success running such a low dose of test e.. i just had gyno surgery so i wanted to get back into cycling slowly.. would like to here some input guys

[gixxerboy1]

depends on your stats and goals.

[maxmuscle1090]

im 6ft 210 not exactly sure bf at the moment.... ben eating a clean and training rite just got out of the military in pretty good shape..i use to weigh around 240..im not looking for the bulky look anymore .. im trying to stay lean and healthy..after my gyno im a little nervous to start on cycle again so wanted to start slow..

[alexISthrowed]

Just do 500mg ew and have the right supplies on hand for gyno. Gyno really isn't that scary if you know how to take care of it.

[maxmuscle1090]

ok what would u suggest ?? i was thinking aromisn durring cycle and keeping letro on hand just in case?? ive also nown people that have takin letro at a low dose all thru cycle to be extra carfull with no problems..im kind of stuck here offcourse after just getting my gyno removed i want to be extra cautious

[alexISthrowed]

ok what would u suggest ?? i was thinking aromisn durring cycle and keeping letro on hand just in case?? ive also nown people that have takin letro at a low dose all thru cycle to be extra carfull with no problems..im kind of stuck here offcourse after just getting my gyno removed i want to be extra cautious

Aromasin at 12.5mgs ed should be plenty at 500mg. I would recommend looking into getting human grade ancillaries if your scared about gyno. I always have letro and nolva on hand also.

[gearbox]

You should be fine with arom. I would however have letro on hand, as I always do.

[MickeyKnox]

truth is there have been some guys here, heavy hitters in fact, that have seen nice results on 300mg test e/wk in their early aas usage - and not that long ago either. so don't be fooled into believing you need huge amounts. and a big 10-4 on the stane @ 12.5eod or ed. that should be enough to keep sides at bay. OR, you can always do small amounts of nolva on cycle. 5-10mg/day has worked well for others.

ether way, good luck and i hope you're able to get back on the horse with confidence.

[maxmuscle1090]

cool thanks guys

[BBrian]

Indeed, Nolvadex seems to be the best choice if you're specifically trying to avoid or treat gyno. AI's won't keep what estrogen you do have from interacting with the receptor, but Nolvadex will.

[maxmuscle1090]

so you guys would suggest just running small amouts of nolva all throughout cycle over aromasin ?? or couldnt hurt run a little bit of both to be extra cafeful ?

[alexISthrowed]

I would only run nolva if your gyno has already flared up. Start an ai at the beginning of your cycle and have the nolva on hand.

[cyounger100]

Just do 500mg ew and have the right supplies on hand for gyno. Gyno really isn't that scary if you know how to take care of it.

i still dont understand why everyone always says 500 mg a week i ran 250 mgs a week for first cycle and went from 195 too 225 in 12 weeks while maintaing low bf so OP 250 mgs a week you will grow fine with

[AD]

so you guys would suggest just running small amouts of nolva all throughout cycle over aromasin ?? or couldnt hurt run a little bit of both to be extra cafeful ?

you probably shouldnt use both nolva and AI at the same time. this will increase your risk of experiencing problems of extremely low estrogen

[AlphaGenetics]

250 a week gives me great results.

[stpete]

You should probably straighten out your diet a little first. And at 21 years old, you're a little young for AAS.

[BBrian]

you probably shouldnt use both nolva and AI at the same time. this will increase your risk of experiencing problems of extremely low estrogen

No, the Nolvadex does not interfere with the aromatase enzyme, it merely competes for the receptor, preventing estrogen from causing side effects. The AI alone will determine how much estrogen is created.

[alexISthrowed]

i still dont understand why everyone always says 500 mg a week i ran 250 mgs a week for first cycle and went from 195 too 225 in 12 weeks while maintaing low bf so OP 250 mgs a week you will grow fine with

You didn't put on 30lbs of muscle in 12 weeks, and 500mg is just a better amount. I'm also pretty sure this is not his first cycle.

[JohnnyVegas]

I have run 200mg/wk for over a year (TRT) and it doesn't give big gains, but it helps.

I think if you are going to shut your natural production down, it should be for more gains than 250mg/wk will give you.

[BBrian]

250mg per week of test is not going to do much for someone unless they either have a very small frame and are very short (think Danny DeVito without the fat), or are so far from their potential that they are simply jumping to that potential, as anabolics are very effective in doing. After you've performed a few cycles and have done well to maintain your gains, 250mg just isn't going to do much at all for you mass-wise, and I'd only ever recommend this for a first cycle, or for someone coming back from losing weight due to injury or illness that have hit a plateau. There is nothing that 250mg would do for me that I couldn't obtain with food.

[AD]

No, the Nolvadex does not interfere with the aromatase enzyme, it merely competes for the receptor, preventing estrogen from causing side effects. The AI alone will determine how much estrogen is created.

if you use both at the same time, and block both pathways, wouldnt the risk of sides from extremely low estrogen be higher? dont we need at least some estrogen for normal function?

i guess you will have to be really careful with the dosages

[maxmuscle1090]

i appreciate all the input guys

[cyounger100]

You didn't put on 30lbs of muscle in 12 weeks, and 500mg is just a better amount. I'm also pretty sure this is not his first cycle.

no your correct im sure some was water but i top out after 12 weeks at 225 and stayed at 210 until my next cycle which was a year later for me it was great results esp. on such a low dose 500 mgs is not needed for a first cycle you can grow just fine on a ow dose like 300 mg s

[X2006ibmgto]

I plan on 300mg for my first cycle

[Sgt. Hartman]

if you use both at the same time, and block both pathways, wouldnt the risk of sides from extremely low estrogen be higher? dont we need at least some estrogen for normal function?

i guess you will have to be really careful with the dosages

Reread what Brian posted, he's correct. Tamox does not reduce plasma estrogen levels. It only prevents it from binding to its receptor sites.

You could run nolva without an AI and have extremely elevated dangerous plasma estrogen levels and not have the typical estrogen side effects because it would not be able to exert it's effects (not that I'm recommending this).

Aromasin inhibits the conversion of testosterone to estrogen by destroying the aromatase enzyme, while nolva does nothing to estrogen levels but only competes with E at its receptor sites.

[kelkel]

Read this. Might clear some things up for you a bit.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...n-cycle-Swifto

[maxmuscle1090]

thanks for the link kelk! good info there

[AD]

Reread what Brian posted, he's correct. Tamox does not reduce plasma estrogen levels. It only prevents it from binding to its receptor sites.

You could run nolva without an AI and have extremely elevated dangerous plasma estrogen levels and not have the typical estrogen side effects because it would not be able to exert it's effects (not that I'm recommending this).

Aromasin inhibits the conversion of testosterone to estrogen by destroying the aromatase enzyme, while nolva does nothing to estrogen levels but only competes with E at its receptor sites.

i am slightly concerned about using both tamoxifen and aromasin at the same time for prevention of gyno, not treatment of established gyno.

my worry is, aromasin on the one hand, will reduce the actual amount of estrogen circulating in the body, by inhibiting aromatase. so overall estro level is lowered. and if you add on tamoxifen, whatever low amount of estrogen is further prevented from exerting any activity on the receptors. so the combined effect of blocking both pathways... seems like an overkill. the risk of experiencing sides of low estrogen level and activity may be high.

you dont agree?

[Sgt. Hartman]

Yeah I agree, tamox shouldn't be run as a preventative measure. IMO an AI should always be run on cycle and nolva should only be added after gyno has set in if AI hasn't been doing it's job. AI = prevention, tamox = treatment.