deca alone

[dumbtoad]

I have a older buddy that stays on deca alone almost year round. He claims it helps his joints and "keeps him young" while lifting. Is there any weight to this statement and is it ok to run deca by itself?

[BBrian]

Eventually the deca will prevent your body from producing testosterone to the point where you will have none left. Deca by itself, in the bigger picture, will cause more problems that outweigh the benefits. You must take testosterone with deca.

[ghettoboyd]

it has been said that deca even after just one shot can cause suppresson/shutdown...

[BBrian]

it has been said that deca even after just one shot can cause suppresson/shutdown...

Absolutely. I received a single shot once for poison oak, and while it did great things for the rash, I felt weak as hell in the gym and lost my sex drive for the next two weeks. Even one shot required a small PCT for me. But continuous injections was a different story. I've run deca by itself several times when I was young and uneducated, and it actually did increase my sex drive just as much as if I were injecting test by itself. It wasn't until just after my final injection that I began to experience atrophy. But if you were to take deca alone for a long period of time, you should experience a terrible level of gonadal suppression eventually, especially when doing it year round. And deca is the only thing that has ever made my balls shrivel up and shrink to a noticeable degree.

[DanB]

it has been said that deca even after just one shot can cause suppresson/shutdown...

Yup I was just about to post this, and I think it was only 100-150 mg in that study aswell, I'll try find it later

Ask your buddy if he is still able to have sex without viagra

[stpete]

Not advised at all.

[maxmuscle1090]

test with decca is a must..ive nown guys who run a lil decca all year round but they always run test with it..decca by its self is just dum and will shut down your natural tlevels completly

[MR10X]

test with decca is a must..ive nown guys who run a lil decca all year round but they always run test with it..decca by its self is just dum and will shut down your natural tlevels completly

Test and deca all year round is dumb unless you intend to be on TRT for life.....

[Steroidman99]

test with decca is a must..ive nown guys who run a lil decca all year round but they always run test with it..decca by its self is just dum and will shut down your natural tlevels completly

So will exogenous testosterone. So there is not much difference.

People often want to run Deca, because they want to avoid androgenic sides of steroids. So Deca+testosterone is quite a nonsensical combination in such cases.

I ran Deca only once, as my first cycle, 250 mgx6 weeks. It was 11 years ago, when I knew nothing about the importance of PCT. It was not a bad cycle... Except that it started to work as late as after 4 weeks and without any PCT, I lost all strength gains within ca. 14 weeks post-cycle... LOL

I am really irritated that people push testosterone to everybody's cycles. Testosterone is a STEROID HAMBURGER. A cheap, effective stuff with many sides that can have pretty serious consequences for many people (e.g. severe acne, gynecomastia, hairloss). There are certainly better substitutes - and nandrolone is one of them, although it is not perfect, sure. I would have to repeat the cycle with higher doses to evaluate nandrolone more accurately (and I plan to do it in the near future), but as I said, it was not bad. The only side effect that I observed was priapism (chronical erection) and "bacne" after the end of the cycle.

[Bigshotvictoria]

The idea of adding test to deca, or any other steroid for that matter isn't to stop shutdown, infact doing so can have the opposite effect by further triggering the negative feedback loop. The idea is to actually avoid certain sides, such as loss of libido, erectile dysfunction, depression, etc... Since Deca and other steroids are NOT testosterone, they act differently in the body. They also inhibit endrogenous test as previously mentioned, so your simply replacing the test you're not producing, or more for a further anabolic effect.

[Bigshotvictoria]

In regards to adding test potentially shutting you down, it's kind of a moot point. Studies of Deca have shown that one single 100mg shot of deca causes full shutdown of HPTA function. Even less for Tren. As i understand it, from studies I've read, only anavar at 20mg/day can be taken without affecting HPTA function. As such it's pretty much the only AAS that most knowledgeable users will do without test.

[Schmidty]

So will exogenous testosterone. So there is not much difference.

People often want to run Deca, because they want to avoid androgenic sides of steroids. So Deca+testosterone is quite a nonsensical combination in such cases.

I ran Deca only once, as my first cycle, 250 mgx6 weeks. It was 11 years ago, when I knew nothing about the importance of PCT. It was not a bad cycle... Except that it started to work as late as after 4 weeks and without any PCT, I lost all strength gains within ca. 14 weeks post-cycle... LOL

I am really irritated that people push testosterone to everybody's cycles. Testosterone is a STEROID HAMBURGER. A cheap, effective stuff with many sides that can have pretty serious consequences for many people (e.g. severe acne, gynecomastia, hairloss). There are certainly better substitutes - and nandrolone is one of them, although it is not perfect, sure. I would have to repeat the cycle with higher doses to evaluate nandrolone more accurately (and I plan to do it in the near future), but as I said, it was not bad. The only side effect that I observed was priapism (chronical erection) and "bacne" after the end of the cycle.

thank you!!!

[BBrian]

So will exogenous testosterone. So there is not much difference.

People often want to run Deca, because they want to avoid androgenic sides of steroids. So Deca+testosterone is quite a nonsensical combination in such cases.

I ran Deca only once, as my first cycle, 250 mgx6 weeks. It was 11 years ago, when I knew nothing about the importance of PCT. It was not a bad cycle... Except that it started to work as late as after 4 weeks and without any PCT, I lost all strength gains within ca. 14 weeks post-cycle... LOL

I am really irritated that people push testosterone to everybody's cycles. Testosterone is a STEROID HAMBURGER. A cheap, effective stuff with many sides that can have pretty serious consequences for many people (e.g. severe acne, gynecomastia, hairloss). There are certainly better substitutes - and nandrolone is one of them, although it is not perfect, sure. I would have to repeat the cycle with higher doses to evaluate nandrolone more accurately (and I plan to do it in the near future), but as I said, it was not bad. The only side effect that I observed was priapism (chronical erection) and "bacne" after the end of the cycle.

Wow, I don't think you understand what's going on here. If you take deca by itself, you will shut down natural testosterone production, and without injecting testosterone, you will be left with no testosterone in your body. This is the case with most other compounds, and this is why it is ineffably important to use test with other compounds. What is the point of taking anabolic steroids only to end up with no testosterone in your body? You will lose muscle, sexual capability, and a host of other problems. Your irritation is a consequence of not understanding this very basic concept. The "serious consequences" you speak of are estrogen side effects which are controlled through the use of an Aromatase Inhibitor. Taking deca by itself without taking the same step leads to the same side effects. Deca is not a substitute for testosterone.

[dumbtoad]

So I talked to him and showed him this thread. Convinced him he's retarded. How much test should he take with it? He wants to do the minimum necessary.

[BBrian]

So I talked to him and showed him this thread. Convinced him he's retarded. How much test should he take with it? He wants to do the minimum necessary.

Standard TRT doses should suffice, but it really depends on how much deca he's taking. How much is he injecting and how often?

[maxmuscle1090]

lol im not saying i would ever do it i agree its dum..just saying ive nown people that have stayed on it for long periods of time

[600@50]

Anything year-round is not smart. You must give your system a break to normalize. If you're on HRT anyway you may be able to get by with more as you are controlling levels. But you still need to cycle.

[Razor]

If he has been taking it year round alone..he will probably end up on hrt the rest of his life..his lvls have to be messed up

[BBrian]

If he has been taking it year round alone..he will probably end up on hrt the rest of his life..his lvls have to be messed up

Sadly this is probably true, but there is always hope that a long and aggressive PCT will stimulate his gonads enough to resurrect them from the cold depths of hell.