Var/Tbol Cycle help

[306Roofer]

Hey all just a couple quick quesions. i have just recently started a var and tbol cycle and was told to take 100 mg of var a day and 50 mg of tbol. However after reading forum after forum i felt like this was a little much so i began at 60 mg of var and 40 of the tbol for the last 3 days. planning on 8 weeks at this doseage. Is this a reasonable amount for myself? i am 29 years old 5'7 and 175 lbs. Any advice whatsoever will help. Also i was told that a pct was not necessary and would be a waste of money.
Thank you in advance

[V-ROID]

How recently did you start? Might oughta stop now. Or get you some PCT ordered pronto. Hope you preloaded liv supps too. Good luck.

[306Roofer]

Third day in..shouldn't be a problem to get the pct in time so that i can do if its necessary which i have read it is. also i really only had been using milkthistle for a couple weeks prior...what liver supps are best...im really confused now...The person who guided me into this cycle is a trusted person to myself and has had some fighters run this cycle with no issues but i really would like to figure out whats best..

[V-ROID]

2 orals at any dose can be rough. PCT maybe nolva 20/20/20/20. Who knows how many dudes your trusted buddy may have effed up. Maybe you/they will get lucky... There are several liver supps, I like Cycle Assist, others like others... Shoulda came here first. I would stop and learn some and then continue if you see fit. LOTS of things to take into consideration. Why no test?

[306Roofer]

Terrified of the needle. So the recomendation i am gettin Vegan is to stop..preload liver supps..then what? theres 10000 different opinions on dosage for these....so where do i start?

[V-ROID]

Nobody is going to give you much advice without posting your stats. If it were me (which ain't you) I might continue with the Tbol and and IMMEDIATELY start pounding liver supps (which I have) and maybe add Var second month. But millions ways to go about it and not many here like the fact that you jumped in without learning first, probably when you are not physically ready. So what are your stats: BF, years lifting, goals, diet... Unless all of that is in check, then I would save them for later. Click on the AR-R banner at the top and look into a PCT... Someone will be along shortly to straighten you out. In between tasks, I gotta run.

[maxmuscle1090]

doing oral only cycles are just not smart man..ive ben there..yur only gna **** yur self up
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[DanB]

Hey all just a couple quick quesions. i have just recently started a var and tbol cycle and was told to take 100 mg of var a day and 50 mg of tbol. However after reading forum after forum i felt like this was a little much so i began at 60 mg of var and 40 of the tbol for the last 3 days. planning on 8 weeks at this doseage. Is this a reasonable amount for myself? i am 29 years old 5'7 and 175 lbs. Any advice whatsoever will help. Also i was told that a pct was not necessary and would be a waste of money.
Thank you in advance

pct is 100% necessary

look into getting clomid and nolvadex

i would use clomid/nolvadex

50/50/25/25 and 40/40/20/20 yes thats mg per day and the x/x/x/x is dose to run per day for that week, so 4 weeks in total
start day after last tablet

it isnt a great cycle but to be honest i know people that have ran it and liked the results but they used hcg with it, you really should of done some research and at least procured some hcg before you started

it would also be a good idea to of had an a.i. such as aromasin or armidex on hand, if you can get it asap then do just to be safe

chances are that this cycle will shut you down, if you can handle that and risk possibly damaging your natty test levels then continue and run pct i mentioned

if you dont want to risk this then stop now

my advise would be different if you hadnt already started but since you have i think its only reasonable that i lay out both options since most people wont stop once they start anyways

best of luck with whichever you choose

[306Roofer]

i have no problem stopping anything that is "too" harmful to my organs and if both at same time is that harsh then consider me on a different plan. pct has been ordered and will be delivered by monday. SO. where do i go from here because i am still going to use this stuff up cause it was a fairly substantial investment. Is it too much to o 5 weeks 50mg tbol followed by 4 weeks of 60mg var then the 4 weeks of pct. ??????????????????????

[DanB]

ok personally if I was to do it I would continue the way you are

The cycle wont kill you, it will shut down and raise your liver values, if I was going to proceed I would get bloodwork (liver) done after 3-4 weeks and if everything is in check then proceed with planned cycle and then outlined pct

No alcohol at all and milk thistle and/or liver52 will also help

Im only saying this so you can make the best of a bad suitation, but in future please come here first and do some research before you start

[Brohim]

do 40mg var and 50-60 of tbol. Your liver won't die in 6-8 week's.

[BigGuy90]

I think the liver hepatoxicity is a little over hyped with the var and tbol..but running some EFA's and liver support won't hurt you at all to err on the safe side. My opinion, since your already doing it just stick to the 60mg of var ed minimum and 40-50mg of tbol. Right after your last tablet run a PCT because it is ALWAYS needed after any cycle

[V-ROID]

do 40mg var and 50-60 of tbol. Your liver won't die in 6-8 week's.

Probably not. But your dingus might not be too happy... Gains might fade but props for ordering up some PCT. Can only hope that you are already in decent shape and not running this cycle to drop from a high BF. Keep us posted with results.

[306Roofer]

I would say i am in good shape. 12% body fat. hoping the var gets me down 10 or less is this achievable?
Diet
breakfast-shake(protein,bcaa,macha tea,fruit) then 20 min jog followed buy cup of oatmeal 2 eggs and a piece of fruit
mid morning-6 ounces cottage cheese and 4 ounces salad (no fat dressing)
lunch- tuna or salmon with salad again
mid afternoon-4 ounces chicken and 4 ounces salad
supper-6 ounces red meat, salad, veggies
before bed is a shake with casein,fruit, macha tea
milk thiste with breakfast lunch and dinner

Acceptable? Recomendations?
ordered nolva for pct. Do i need clomid too? can also get hcg if necessary.

[306Roofer]

weighed in this morning at 171.