would 250mg deca a week even be worth running ???????

[tcook]

okay so 3rd cycle and plan on trying something new, im going to be running sustanon 500mg a week and am debating on wether to run 250 or 500mg deca with that as my source gets 250mg per 1ml amps. my question is for a first time deca user if 250mg a good shout and will that still give good gains or would 500 be better as i know 250mg is possibly a tad on the low side however some might say 500mg is slightly on the higher side, i just want to try make sure i stay clear from "deca dick" as i dont think my chick would be over the moon about it.
cycle plan
sustanon 500mg a week 10 weeks
deca 250mg or 500mg a week 10 week
arimidex .5mg a day during cycle to prevent estrogen sides and hold off some water retention may start with .25mg and see how that goes
PCT clomid & nolva
goal is to add about 10-15 lbs but also staying pretty lean throughout.

[slimshady01]

be good for relieving joint pain on a temporary basis

[cebby1985]

10wks is too short imo. Can you lengthen it

[tcook]

not so good for BB purposes then ???

[tcook]

& no i woouldnt be able to lenghthen it tbh.

[lovbyts]

I think it's enough to notice a difference/increase from taking Test alone. If it's all I had I would do it. I would not expect HUGE gains but nice mild increase in size and strength. It's always better to start on the lower side than more because it's a new compound and it gives your body a chance to adjust to it. You should have less chance of sides by using less and if you like the results keep the same cycle next time but bump up to 400 - 500mg next time.

[tcook]

i do feel like i should start with 500mg as thats what alot of freinds started on with no to minimal sides but like you say i do agree it better to start lower altho i feel i may start higher and then if problems accour i can taper down or off the deca. 250mg mon/thurs. do you think to go ahead with that & as im also using test should that then counteract the side effect deca dick yea ???

[lovbyts]

There is no way I would run Deca without the test. Yes as long as you run a therapeutic dose of test or more it should be fine.

[tcook]

so 500mg of each should be sweet yea bro

[lovbyts]

If you got 500mg of each sure. That is plenty of test. You really only need to run 250mg of test to be safe but more is fine. No need to go by the OLD rule of more test than deca.

I though you didnt have enough deca to run 500 though?

[tcook]

well basically i havent bought my gear yet so i posted up on wether to buy 1 or 2 boxes of deca as 1 box contains 10 amps or 250mg/ml so yea running 500mg a week is no problem just means il get 2 boxes instead of 1

[lovbyts]

OK then if it was me I would do 500 vs 250 if I had a choice and I was sure I was ready.

[tcook]

sweet as a nut mate

[jandj]

With all do respect lovebyt, I disagree with your suggestion completely . firstly you have to run test for two more weeks following your last deca pin, this isn't an option. Secondly every mod in every bored will agree that you have to run twice the amount of test than deca. I just finished running an 8 week deca at 200 mg and sust 250 twice a week for 10 weeks and gained 25 pounds ! So if you are looking for more or less the same results , then keep the deca lower as its a nice starting point. An lastly arimedex is the best AI out there and is very strong , .5 Ed is an aggressive dose as you don't want to totally kill your estrogen. I would start off at .5 e3d and up it to eod if you start bloating noticabilly. Everyone reacts differently so you don't want to overdo it as more is not necessarily better.

[lovbyts]

I never said to NOT run it longer. I was talking only in regards to the amount. I do agree the test should be run longer especial if it's a short ester.

NO every board will not agree that you have to run more, let alone 2x as much test as deca. lol Maybe if you go back 15 years ago. Some are still OLD school and some still suggest tapering your cycle up to start and down at the end suggesting it helps with recovery. Pure rubbish also.

[tcook]

i will run test 2 weeks longer than the deca altho it will be enanthate as i have 4 amps of that on hand and only 20 amps of sustanon.

[Turkish Juicer]

An lastly arimedex is the best AI out there and is very strong , .5 Ed is an aggressive dose as you don't want to totally kill your estrogen. I would start off at .5 e3d and up it to eod if you start bloating noticabilly. Everyone reacts differently so you don't want to overdo it as more is not necessarily better.

With all due respect, you made some bold claims up there, let's look into these:

1. Whether an AI is the best out there is relative to how one's body responds to it. In addition, one's expectations from an AI (preventing gyno vs reversing gyno, for instance) may also determine whether it is the best AI or not.

2. Arimidex is not the strongest AI out there. As a matter of fact, it is not even the 2nd strongest AI in the market. On a mg basis, Femara (Letrozole) is the strongest AI on the international market at the moment. It is followed by Aromasin (Exemestane), which is followed by Arimidex (Anastrozole).

... and I completely agree with you on the aggressive dosing of Arimidex at .5 ED and the risk of estrogen crash in this particular cycle.

[tcook]

il start off with .25mg ed on the arimidex then and see how things roll.
so does this cycle look good to go
week 1-12 sustanon 500mg ew ( week 10-12 will probally be enanthate as like i said i only have enough sust for 10 weeks)
week 1-10 deca 500mg ew
week 1-12 arimidex .25 mg ed
week 14-18 clomid 100/100/50/50
week 14-18 nolva 40/40/20/20
am also concidering running winstrol from week 6-12 at about 50/60mg ed

look okay to you all then ???????

[jandj]

I still think you can achieve your desired weight with half the deca and by dropping the winstrol. But it's your body.