Test, masteron, clen & tren

**mattywatson** · 03-14-2012, 07:00 AM

hello peeps,

this is my 6th cycle, am gonna go for some competitions in the summer unfortunately after my last bulk i went to far and got quite chubby up to 20% bf :O

ive put a cycle together for 12-14 weeks

875mg masteron a week
500mg test prop a week
800mg tren a week
120mcg clen ( 2 weeks on 2 off ) 20mcg a drop

i might chuck in some anavar and winstrol for the last 6-7 weeks

how is this cycle looking

Thank you for any feed back

**alexISthrowed** · 03-14-2012, 07:02 AM

Nobody knows how your gear is concentrated. 5ml could be 500mg or 1000mg.

**mattywatson** · 03-14-2012, 07:36 AM

test 250mg per ml
mast 175mg per ml
tren 200mg per ml
clen 20mcg a drop of clen

**mattywatson** · 03-14-2012, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by alexISthrowed

Nobody knows how your gear is concentrated. 5ml could be 500mg or 1000mg.

875mg masteron a week
500mg test prop a week
800mg tren a week
120mcg clen ( 2 weeks on 2 off ) 20mcg a drop

**MR-FQ320** · 03-14-2012, 10:26 AM

are you 20 % now ?

**mattywatson** · 03-14-2012, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by MR-FQ320

are you 20 % now ?

i was 2 weeks ago maybe a little less now

**hankdiesel** · 03-14-2012, 11:58 AM

So you're competing this summer?

**mattywatson** · 03-14-2012, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by hankdiesel

So you're competing this summer?

thinking about it yeah, i dunno whether to compete, or whether to get down to say 10% bf and then have a clean bulk

**OnTheSauce** · 03-14-2012, 02:29 PM

Seems like high doses of tren and masteron . No aromisin or caber?

**mattywatson** · 03-14-2012, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by patrick4588

Seems like high doses of tren and masteron. No aromisin or caber?

only works out at 5ml a week mast and 4ml tren , i wouldnt say its that high i have alot of fat to cut, and i have never heard of either of them but from what ive just read up on they are for pct i havent made a pct for this cycle yet, what would you suggest

**auswest** · 03-14-2012, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by mattywatson

only works out at 5ml a week mast and 4ml tren, i wouldnt say its that high i have alot of fat to cut, and i have never heard of either of them but from what ive just read up on they are for pct i havent made a pct for this cycle yet, what would you suggest

May want to do a little more reading then and by a little I mean alot.
And yes 800mg tren is very high.

**songdog** · 03-14-2012, 07:14 PM

23yrs old your 6th cycle not a good combo.Add to that you dont know wat your doing.

**cebby1985** · 03-14-2012, 07:34 PM

If your diets not in check, forget about dropping any bf. 20% is pretty high to just get on a cycle and all of the sudden compete. Aas are not miracle drugs.

**mattywatson** · 03-15-2012, 04:24 AM

i spend all my time ****ing reading, instead of people telling me to go reading why dont they just actually be helpful and explain to me, or post me a article of some sort, and fine what dose of tren would you suggest

**mattywatson** · 03-15-2012, 04:25 AM

and my diet is in check it has been for 2 month :/ i have lost 10 lbs

**mattywatson** · 03-15-2012, 04:26 AM

and in what sense do i not know what im doing ? everybody on this site is a prick why dont they just, explain where your going wrong

***t-gunz*** · 03-15-2012, 04:33 AM

^^ u need to tone it down a notch mate. u come on here asking for advice and you are getting THEIR advice.

might not be what u want to here. but 6th cycle and only 23 and ur that high in bf% its simple to say u do not no what you are doing.

if ur diet is in check as u said and u lost 10lbs then keep going it natty. get to a respectable level. then re look at ur plans.

ur only young. plus those doses u wanna use are just way to high mate. more dose doesnt mean u will get more gains.

good luck

**stpete** · 03-15-2012, 04:43 AM

Originally Posted by mattywatson

and in what sense do i not know what im doing ? everybody on this site is a prick why dont they just, explain where your going wrong

If you have done 5 cycles previously and you have no idea on PCT for this one?

Calling us pricks isn't going to get you anywhere.

Good Luck getting help w/that attitude.

**mattywatson** · 03-15-2012, 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by t-gunz

^^ u need to tone it down a notch mate. u come on here asking for advice and you are getting THEIR advice.

might not be what u want to here. but 6th cycle and only 23 and ur that high in bf% its simple to say u do not no what you are doing.

if ur diet is in check as u said and u lost 10lbs then keep going it natty. get to a respectable level. then re look at ur plans.

ur only young. plus those doses u wanna use are just way to high mate. more dose doesnt mean u will get more gains.

good luck

thank you for your advice buddy, and i didnt mean to get angry its just i come on here for advice and people just tell you, your wrong and to read up, when i came on here for help...
and yeah im enjoying doing it naturally, just i want to make it somewere in life with being a bodybuilder and i have actually found a good read on tren about high doses making you sweat your tits off etc, so when i do start my cycle im going to do 75mg eod

**mattywatson** · 03-15-2012, 04:47 AM

Originally Posted by stpete

If you have done 5 cycles previously and you have no idea on PCT for this one?

Calling us pricks isn't going to get you anywhere.

Good Luck getting help w/that attitude.

im sorry about that, and yes i have done pcts previously i just hadnt heard of aromasin or caber,

what i was going to do is just use clomid and nolva, maybe some hcg

***t-gunz*** · 03-15-2012, 04:52 AM

thats cool mate, i can understand where u are coming from. u just gotta be the bigger man and wait out for other advice. too.

i suggest post ur diet in the diet section first off. with all details of u. and then ur diet.

boys over there arte great and will get where u need to be in a timely manner. once u follow that diet and learn to diet to see how ur body responds

then u can look into a cycle.

but ffs lower those doses brother lol

what is ur previous cycle history.

with mast ur bf% needs to be pretty low for it to work. so i suggest drop that.

but ill wait to hear back ur cycle history, doses, time length. etc

**mattywatson** · 03-15-2012, 04:59 AM

Originally Posted by t-gunz

thats cool mate, i can understand where u are coming from. u just gotta be the bigger man and wait out for other advice. too.

i suggest post ur diet in the diet section first off. with all details of u. and then ur diet.

boys over there arte great and will get where u need to be in a timely manner. once u follow that diet and learn to diet to see how ur body responds

then u can look into a cycle.

but ffs lower those doses brother lol

what is ur previous cycle history.

with mast ur bf% needs to be pretty low for it to work. so i suggest drop that.

but ill wait to hear back ur cycle history, doses, time length. etc

i have previously posted my diet on the bodybuildin.com website buddy it got good feedback on there, and my previouse cycle history....

first cycle was just test at 500mg a week 8 weeks

second was masteron 5ml a week a cant remember what concentration it was, 300mg test, 120mg winny a day 12 weeks

third was test 500mg a week,8 weeks

forth was primobolan 800mg a week, anavar , 300mg test, 12 weeks

fifth was 500mg test a week 50mg dbol a day, 10 weeks

and well do you think i should wait until im about 12-15% bf before i start my cycle ?

***t-gunz*** · 03-15-2012, 05:30 AM

ok so uve done a few cycles lol.

how did u find recovery? blood work ?

yes personally wait it out mate. if ur serious it wont take u long to get to that percentage. less chance of sides with the lower bf%

also with this cycle use hcg throughout as u know tren etc can shut u down very hard.

also low dose for tren first timer. this is some strong stuff. u dont need a lot.

but get the bf% down then re post what cycle u plan on doing if u still wanna do one by then.

have a good read up on compounds. learn as much as u can.

read up on caber and pct meds etc. get a good understanding. it will only benefit u

best of luck mate

**slimshady01** · 03-15-2012, 06:09 AM

Originally Posted by mattywatson

and my diet is in check it has been for 2 month :/ i have lost 10 lbs

Lol 2 months, was hoping it read 2 years.

Get diet on point and make it habit by then you will be lean without gear and can focus on your clean bulks.

**cebby1985** · 03-15-2012, 06:12 AM

I don't think anyone is being a prick here. You just didn't get the feedback that you wanted and I think you took it wrong. You gave some very vague info such as using ml instead of mg for dosing, which as said before can vary greatly. You also didnt mention that you were dieting, just that you were 20% bf and wanted to compete.

Read up on your doses and stick w a clean diet and get yiur bf down in the mid to low teens. You'll get a much better response out of the gear. I was in the same boat as you, but its worth the wait.

**mattywatson** · 03-15-2012, 06:17 AM

my diet is going great, i eat at perfect times and i never cheat i just know that obv cutting steroids help you cut, but im not at that level of lean ness yet to need them

**mattywatson** · 03-15-2012, 06:19 AM

Originally Posted by cebby1985

I don't think anyone is being a prick here. You just didn't get the feedback that you wanted and I think you took it wrong. You gave some very vague info such as using ml instead of mg for dosing, which as said before can vary greatly. You also didnt mention that you were dieting, just that you were 20% bf and wanted to compete.

Read up on your doses and stick w a clean diet and get yiur bf down in the mid to low teens. You'll get a much better response out of the gear. I was in the same boat as you, but its worth the wait.

thank you a lot mate and no i didnt mind the feedback i got i will admit things were a little to high and the only reason i posted the mls instead of mg, was cause i was waiting to get told the concentration of the gear, and well yeah ive been dieting a while and its all going fine, and i will im going to get to around 13% and then introduce my cycle

Thank you

**cebby1985** · 03-15-2012, 06:23 AM

If you've taken the time to figure out your daily cal needs and have your macros in line you should have no prob dropping bf. But simply eating clean and not cheating doesn't mean much if you don't know what's going into your mouth and your cal expenditure each day

Also, just because those agents are typically used for cutting, doesn't mean it will make you "cut". Again, goes back to diet.

**cebby1985** · 03-15-2012, 06:24 AM

Good luck and have patience!

**mattywatson** · 03-15-2012, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by cebby1985

If you've taken the time to figure out your daily cal needs and have your macros in line you should have no prob dropping bf. But simply eating clean and not cheating doesn't mean much if you don't know what's going into your mouth and your cal expenditure each day

Also, just because those agents are typically used for cutting, doesn't mean it will make you "cut". Again, goes back to diet.

i have all my macro nutrients set down perfect, i know what to eat and what not to eat, i am very focused on calories in vs calories out im loosing weight at about 1-2lbs a week

**mattywatson** · 03-15-2012, 06:45 AM

Originally Posted by cebby1985

Good luck and have patience!

Thank you

**mattywatson** · 03-15-2012, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by t-gunz

ok so uve done a few cycles lol.

how did u find recovery? blood work ?

yes personally wait it out mate. if ur serious it wont take u long to get to that percentage. less chance of sides with the lower bf%

also with this cycle use hcg throughout as u know tren etc can shut u down very hard.

also low dose for tren first timer. this is some strong stuff. u dont need a lot.

but get the bf% down then re post what cycle u plan on doing if u still wanna do one by then.

have a good read up on compounds. learn as much as u can.

read up on caber and pct meds etc. get a good understanding. it will only benefit u

best of luck mate

okay buddy thank you and well i have lowered my doses they now look something like this

600mg masteron a week
500mg test prop a week
400mg tren a week
120mcg clen ( 2 weeks on 2 off ) 20mcg a drop

and no mate actually i didnt get any blood work done i just took a good pct and waiting for everything to come back on line what sort of tests should i get done and i will make sure i do after my next cycle

and yeah buddy am going to wait it outt until im about 13% and then start from there

and i read up on aromasin and im going to take 25mg eod just to try and suppress the gyno, i have never had problems with it in the past but just to be safe, and how much hcg would you recommend, i was thinking 500-1000iu a week stopping 10 days before end of cycle ?

and do i need caber if i have hcg and aromasin ?