Help with first cycle. I'm pulling the trigger

**Lil man** · 03-22-2012, 07:30 PM

Eff it. I'm ordering what I need from AR-r as soon as someonespells out what I need. I have very small knots under nipples from s-drol from a while ago so I plan to order letro and nolva to use before ever doing test. And from what I've read it's best to keep letro on hand and I plan to use nolva rather than clomid unless I'm advised otherwise. And since this is my first cycle I'll be using test only. With all this said can anyone please tell me exactly what I should order (AR-r name and quantity) and also how I should use all this. How long, what quantity an also what length of time between Letro and nolva and cycle please. Please don't be an ass. I'm here for guidance and to learn but I'm ready to pull the trigger and want to do this the right way so please help if you can!!

**upperhandy** · 03-22-2012, 07:33 PM

sounds like you have a lot of reading to do.... i'd hit up the stickies if i were you...

no one is going to spoon feed you the answers.... all the info you are looking for is in the stickies

**gixxerboy1** · 03-22-2012, 07:36 PM

if your here to learn check out the pct section and see what you need and lay it out.
Why just ask someone to tell you? What if you get someone who has no clue and is wrong?
You need to be able to understand what you are using and why. Its your health

**Lil man** · 03-22-2012, 07:52 PM

I've read them all and the stuff is conflicting sometimes. And the AR-r site doesn't say "test" or nolvadex . Also doesn't say how much is per mg so there isn't a good way for me to know how much to buy but you know what, not asking to be spoon fed and your right it's my health right? But Internet is full of shit on cancer too but I think if I thought I had it I would consult others who know much more than I can learn just by reading. Anyway, I'm sure that you all knew all there was to know before your first cycle too huh? Well I appreciate your useless help and hopefully someone will chime in with info on how their stuff is labeled and dosed!

**Lil man** · 03-22-2012, 07:55 PM

And none of the stickies go in to detail on how long one should wait between using letro and nolva for gyno an cycling test.

**Lil man** · 03-22-2012, 07:56 PM

Meant ml instead of mg also. Don't know how many ml to buy cause I don't how much a ml has in it.

**MickeyKnox** · 03-22-2012, 08:02 PM

this site desperately needs one of those popcorn eating emoticons..

**cebby1985** · 03-22-2012, 08:03 PM

Ar-r clearly puts mg/ml dose on all their products.

**gixxerboy1** · 03-22-2012, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by Lil man

Meant ml instead of mg also. Don't know how many ml to buy cause I don't how much a ml has in it.

all their stuff is labeled XXXmg/ml

if you cant understand basic why are you going to take things?

**Lil man** · 03-22-2012, 08:11 PM

On their website I'm not seeing the ml/mg

**Lil man** · 03-22-2012, 08:13 PM

Damn, I don't mind admitting when I'm wrong and I must have been looking at another site earlier. I just visited again and see the ml/mg. For that I'm sorry

**MickeyKnox** · 03-22-2012, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by Lil man

On their website I'm not seeing the ml/mg

you shouldn't be doing aas, you're clearly not ready. and you're research and comprehension skills need serious improvement.

**gixxerboy1** · 03-22-2012, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by Lil man

Damn, I don't mind admitting when I'm wrong and I must have been looking at another site earlier. I just visited again and see the ml/mg. For that I'm sorry

no problem

**Lil man** · 03-22-2012, 08:34 PM

Mickey your just an outstanding member aren't you? Bet you have many friends at school!!!

**Lil man** · 03-22-2012, 08:36 PM

Oh he's Canadian. Now I understand!!! Read the next post asshole

**bob87** · 03-22-2012, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by Lil man

I've read them all and the stuff is conflicting sometimes. And the AR-r site doesn't say "test" or nolvadex. Also doesn't say how much is per mg so there isn't a good way for me to know how much to buy but you know what, not asking to be spoon fed and your right it's my health right? But Internet is full of shit on cancer too but I think if I thought I had it I would consult others who know much more than I can learn just by reading. Anyway, I'm sure that you all knew all there was to know before your first cycle too huh? Well I appreciate your useless help and hopefully someone will chime in with info on how their stuff is labeled and dosed!

Lol ar-r doesn't sell test hahaha.

**MickeyKnox** · 03-22-2012, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by Lil man

Mickey your just an outstanding member aren't you? Bet you have many friends at school!!!

Originally Posted by Lil man

Oh he's Canadian. Now I understand!!! Read the next post asshole

my comment wasn't meant to be rude or a flame. it was simply straight forward based on your questions and comments. and i stand by my original comment. however, your arrogant comments are unnecessary here.

**Lil man** · 03-22-2012, 08:55 PM

I agree Mickey. I really believe none of us should use aas. But with your unlimited knowledge of aas I'm sure you know that!! And nice catch bob. Btw bob, you do know that 24-25 is right on the border of being too young also huh? Unless of course I'm wrong about that too!

**gixxerboy1** · 03-22-2012, 09:12 PM

there is a good thread about gyno reversal that gives the protocol for using letro to reverse lumps. I think c_bino wrote it

**Lil man** · 03-22-2012, 09:27 PM

Hey gixxer it was by c bino and I actually have a post or at least mentioned it in a thread earlier. It was great an that's the reason I know to get letro and nolva. But unless I'm mistaken I don't think it ever stated how long to have between that and an anabolic cycle. I may just start with that and go from there. At least in the meantime I can educate some more. Lol

**gixxerboy1** · 03-22-2012, 09:30 PM

are you asking how long between running the gyno reversal and then starting a cycle afterwards?

also i would edit your last line in your post. its looks like fishing and can cause scammers to try and contact you

**Lil man** · 03-22-2012, 09:46 PM

I just reread the c_bino sticky an it tells perfectly how to take the letro and follow up with nolva but never says how long after the nolva ends one should wait before tampering with hormones. And advice taken on thread. Good looking out

**Lil man** · 03-22-2012, 09:53 PM

It also doesn't state at what point to begin the nolva. It's my understanding to take letro.25 and in 5 days be at 2 mg. Stay there until gyno symptoms subside an then stay at that dose for another 4-7 days before tapering down to .25 mg in 5 days. I would assume that the nolva should be started on last day of running the letro? The suggested amount of nolva was 20mg Ed for a week and then 10 mg for an additional week

**upperhandy** · 03-22-2012, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by Lil man

It also doesn't state at what point to begin the nolva. It's my understanding to take letro.25 and in 5 days be at 2 mg. Stay there until gyno symptoms subside an then stay at that dose for another 4-7 days before tapering down to .25 mg in 5 days. I would assume that the nolva should be started on last day of running the letro? The suggested amount of nolva was 20mg Ed for a week and then 10 mg for an additional week

i don't think you read the post very carefully---> gyno reversal post here

Originally Posted by C_Bino

Nolvadex will do nothing to reverse your gyno…let me make that clear IT WILL DO NOTHING FOR GYNO.

as far as how long to wait until you cycle.... i would guess you would want to wait until your hormones stabalize

letro will crush your estrogen, and it will take your body some time (even after tapering the letro) to come back to equilibrium

so after you have taken care of your gyno.... i would suggest blood work to determine if hormones are back to normal.....

vets have any other opinion?

**Lil man** · 03-22-2012, 10:04 PM

The nolvadex isn't used to reverse gyno. It's used to combat the estrogen rebound from it being suppressed. Now, what exactly didn't I read very carefully again? I think I missed something you caught

**upperhandy** · 03-22-2012, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by Lil man

The nolvadex isn't used to reverse gyno. It's used to combat the estrogen rebound from it being suppressed. Now, what exactly didn't I read very carefully again? I think I missed something you caught

well it seems you are right.... but your answer as to the timing was provided... i think we both need to do more careful reading

Originally Posted by C_Bino

so just make sure that you begin taking nolva the last day you are going to take your letro and then continue on as you would with regular PCT .

and as you said.... (b/c you're not on cycle) 20mg/ed for a week, 10mg/day for another week

Originally Posted by C_Bino

How much nolvadex should you use if you are not going into PCT and running this off cycle ? I suggest starting at 20mg ED for a week and then lowering it to 10mg for another week and then coming off completely.

**Lil man** · 03-22-2012, 10:10 PM

Here ya go upperhandy. Read the pat again but go all the way down to where he explains the need for nolva. I copied an pasted for you to mKe it easy. This is a direct quote from the sticky by c_bino.

With your estrogen being completely inhibited there is a definite estrogen rebound as your body tries to re-stabilize the testosterone :estrogen balance. We can prevent this rebound effect by supplementing further with another AI or SERM. So, I suggest that when you are coming to the end of your cycle you will more than likely be using Nolva in your PCT so just make sure that you begin taking nolva the last day you are going to take your letro and then continue on as you would with regular PCT .

This now leads us into the question of reversing gyno while not on cycle . There are a few things to remember here. You have already waited longer than you should have, and your sex drive will be shot. You can use tribulus or another natural test booster to help you in this scenario but I can’t guarantee the effectiveness. Just follow gyno reversal protocols 2 or 3. When coming off again you must taper and begin using nolvadex to prevent any rebound effect that may occur.

How much nolvadex should you use if you are not going into PCT and running this off cycle ? I suggest starting at 20mg ED for a week and then lowering it to 10mg for another week and then coming off completely.

**upperhandy** · 03-22-2012, 10:25 PM

and???

he says right there use letro protocol 2 or 3 listed in the stickie....taper the letro as he suggests.....then begin nolva on the last day of letro.....20mg/d for 1 week 10mg/d for 1 week

he also says there is no guarantee of success....

sounds like your sex drive is going to take a beating during this process so you might want to hit up the cialis/viagra (seriously) just in case....until your hormones stabilize

**bob87** · 03-23-2012, 02:11 AM

Originally Posted by Lil man

I agree Mickey. I really believe none of us should use aas. But with your unlimited knowledge of aas I'm sure you know that!! And nice catch bob. Btw bob, you do know that 24-25 is right on the border of being too young also huh? Unless of course I'm wrong about that too!

That is correct mate the suggested age is 25 but alot of people cycle at 24. You brought this up why ?