Clenbuterolinononoooooo

[christian123]

Haha :!
Hey,
I was wondering if someone could aware me on if. Its a need to cycle clen off and on?
Also what would be the sides if id run it 8weeks straight without ketotifen?
And why keto is so important if you dont cycle it and is there an alternative to keto!?

Thanks alog

[slfmade]

There's no "good" alternative to Keto that I'm aware of.

You will need it if you want to run clen for 8 weeks straight.

If you're not using keto, run clen 2 weeks on 2 weeks off.

Clenbuterol will down regulate your beta 2 receptors. Once they down-regulate the clen doesn't work the way it should. Keto upregulates your B2R's so that the clen can do its' job.

The only sides you would experience if you ran clen for 8 weeks with keto is a waste of time and money...because the clen wouldn't work.

[The Bear 79]

Benadryl works the same as Keto.

[DanB]

^^^^^ nope

[cebby1985]

What's the longest ppl have run clen and keto. I've read many times where ppl have said it could be run indefinantly, but realistically how long?

[DanB]

What's the longest ppl have run clen and keto. I've read many times where ppl have said it could be run indefinantly, but realistically how long?

start your own thread mate

[t-dogg]

^^^^^ nope

Can you explain why you think that? Not being a smart ass, but if this information is incorrect it shouldnt be posted.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...le-Clenbuterol

[blksavage]

dont do it your not ready.

[The Bear 79]

^^^^^ nope

You're gonna have to elaborate a bit Dan. Because I am live, living, walking proof that it DOES / DID work the same as Keto. When I used Clen, I found the Benadryl did the EXACT same thing the Keto did. So I say...........support your claim Sir................

[jimmyinkedup]

Benadryl is useless for this purpose. Some asshole speculated that because they are the same class of antihistamine that they would do the same thing. Ronnie Roland has an awesome post explaining from a pharmacodynamic standpoint why EXACTLY benadryl is useless for this particular purpose. Also for the many who have tried it - experience will dictate its doesnt work to upregulate beta recpetors. The only similarity that may cause one top believe this is that ketotifen and benadryl will both make you tired.

Its one of those AR idiot speculations he perpetrated as fact.

[The Bear 79]

Again I say it worked for me. And no, I wasn't fooled, I noticed a gradual decrease in the effectiveness of the Clen., I started using Benadryl, & the Clen started working almost as well as it did when I first started taking it. It doesn't get much simpler than that. Where can I find Ronnie's post / thread Jimmy?

[jimmyinkedup]

You'll have to search for it using search function. I dont have it bookmarked. Im trying to recall thread title - I think Ronnie started the thread as well. I'll poke around a bit too and see if I can find it.

[Sgt. Hartman]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...l#.T28WOZhuHHg

[The Bear 79]

Thanx Sgt. I was just about to post it myself. Anyway, respect & admiration aside, I see nothing more than speculation & opinion, I see no supporting studies of this claim. I have always been & will always be a follower of & firm believer in on hands experience / proof, & science. Everyone has an opinion, the real proof of it all is in the science & the experiences.

[Flier]

Benadryl is useless for this purpose. Some asshole speculated that because they are the same class of antihistamine that they would do the same thing. Ronnie Roland has an awesome post explaining from a pharmacodynamic standpoint why EXACTLY benadryl is useless for this particular purpose. Also for the many who have tried it - experience will dictate its doesnt work to upregulate beta recpetors. The only similarity that may cause one top believe this is that ketotifen and benadryl will both make you tired.

Its one of those AR idiot speculations he perpetrated as fact.

U mean Anthony Roberts?
So "writer" under the title Property of Steroid.com" is Anthony Roberts?
If his theories are dismissed, and he is going after Steroid.com with intent of shutting it down, why are his threads still here? Even sticky´s.
Been wondering about this for a while.

[christian123]

Thanks alot for the input guys!
I have a few friends that had run 8weeks of clen without keto!
I'm gonna try to find some asap, if not ill cycle clen 2weeks on and off!
So basically when you re-start, do you ramp up again clen?

Thanks

[jimmyinkedup]

U mean Anthony Roberts?
So "writer" under the title Property of Steroid.com" is Anthony Roberts?
If his theories are dismissed, and he is going after Steroid.com with intent of shutting it down, why are his threads still here? Even sticky´s.
Been wondering about this for a while.

I dont know the ins and outs of why what is here and isnt removed etc. Thats admin and sys admins call. You could , i suppose, pm them. Im not sure either would feel the need to explain their reasons - i dunno. Hey you could ask though.

I view his writings in 2 categories - the stff he plagerized off guys like Karl Hoffman and William LLwellyn - which is accurate info.
The there is the hair brained bs like benadryl/clen - nizoral/acne - t4 converts at unlimited rate to t3 - and on and on. The stupid shit he made up himself - thats almost all wrong.

The sad part too me is he established credibility off the work of others - then used that crdibility to push assenine bs of his own as fact. Sadly many still believe it and even swear its correct - despite evidence both scientific and anecdotal that its total BS.
I like that some of his stuff is here and he has been exposed for what he truely is. Im sure it could all be removed but I respect that the board doesnt hide it - and dealt with it openly as he showed his true colors.

Another topic for another thread. Back on topic:
If you read Ronnies post its pretty clear the MOA AR used to justify his benadryl/clen speculation isnt even the way the drug benadryl even works or the way b2 receptors are "upregulated" so to speak. Contrary to what some may call it - thats science - not speculation or placebo effect or ego that may not permit someone from admiting something they were doing and advising turned out not to be accurate. Im not sure why that is - many things ive believed in and done over the years have turned out to be wrong. Its all a part of learning. I do know placebo effect can be powerful (serious - no sarcasm). Either way it makes no sense to me to debate using something which at best a small % of people say works (benadryl) when ketotifen is easily avail at the top right corner of the page through arr. I personally do 2 weeks on - 2 off with clen and dont take anything.

[doc w]

The bottom line is that there are multiple studies on medline to support ketotifen's ability to upregulate the beta adrenergic receptor. There are no such studies relating to diphenhydramine's ability to upregulate the receptor. Anything otherwise is anecdotal evidence at best. If anyone can find a published study that says otherwise I will change my opinion.

[Flier]

I dont know the ins and outs of why what is here and isnt removed etc. Thats admin and sys admins call. You could , i suppose, pm them. Im not sure either would feel the need to explain their reasons - i dunno. Hey you could ask though.

I view his writings in 2 categories - the stff he plagerized off guys like Karl Hoffman and William LLwellyn - which is accurate info.
The there is the hair brained bs like benadryl/clen - nizoral/acne - t4 converts at unlimited rate to t3 - and on and on. The stupid shit he made up himself - thats almost all wrong.

The sad part too me is he established credibility off the work of others - then used that crdibility to push assenine bs of his own as fact. Sadly many still believe it and even swear its correct - despite evidence both scientific and anecdotal that its total BS.
I like that some of his stuff is here and he has been exposed for what he truely is. Im sure it could all be removed but I respect that the board doesnt hide it - and dealt with it openly as he showed his true colors.

Another topic for another thread. Back on topic:
If you read Ronnies post its pretty clear the MOA AR used to justify his benadryl/clen speculation isnt even the way the drug benadryl even works or the way b2 receptors are "upregulated" so to speak. Contrary to what some may call it - thats science - not speculation or placebo effect or ego that may not permit someone from admiting something they were doing and advising turned out not to be accurate. Im not sure why that is - many things ive believed in and done over the years have turned out to be wrong. Its all a part of learning. I do know placebo effect can be powerful (serious - no sarcasm). Either way it makes no sense to me to debate using something which at best a small % of people say works (benadryl) when ketotifen is easily avail at the top right corner of the page through arr. I personally do 2 weeks on - 2 off with clen and dont take anything.

Thanks for the insight.
If Admins, Mods at any time find misleading info on this site, I think it should be removed.
This forum is a learning tool, not an arena for opinions stated as facts regardless of how inaccurate.
It would make this site even greater.
I have myself been confused by contradictory stickies.

[PaddyOLantern]

I'm really glad I searched and came across this thread. I was about fifteen minutes from ordering a good sized batch of Benadryl because I read the Clen profile that stated Benadryl could be used as a cheaper, more readily available substitute for Ketotifen.


Now to find some Keto...

BTW, first post - already glad I found the site.

[jimmyinkedup]

I'm really glad I searched and came across this thread. I was about fifteen minutes from ordering a good sized batch of Benadryl because I read the Clen profile that stated Benadryl could be used as a cheaper, more readily available substitute for Ketotifen.


Now to find some Keto...

BTW, first post - already glad I found the site.

Welcome to the forum.
Ketotifen is avail through several reseacrch chemical suppliers. One is at the top right of page - ar-r.

[PaddyOLantern]

Welcome to the forum.
Ketotifen is avail through several reseacrch chemical suppliers. One is at the top right of page - ar-r.

Thanks. I guess that answers my question as to whether or not AR-R is a trusted/respected site.



I hope I'm not jacking this thread but I'm curious...can it be used SAFELY for 6-12 consecutive weeks as outlined in the same profile that stated Benadryl = Ketotifen? I'm trying to plan ahead as much as possible and have everything I will need before I start anything.

[christian123]

Thanks. I guess that answers my question as to whether or not AR-R is a trusted/respected site.

I hope I'm not jacking this thread but I'm curious...can it be used SAFELY for 6-12 consecutive weeks as outlined in the same profile that stated Benadryl = Ketotifen? I'm trying to plan ahead as much as possible and have everything I will need before I start anything.

Dont worry about the hijack

[ohigetit]

Benadryl works the same as Keto.

I was also told this by a competitive body builder. He said in laymans terms the Benadryl clears your receptors and is almost like hitting a reset button

[minitourwvu]

Thanx Sgt. I was just about to post it myself. Anyway, respect & admiration aside, I see nothing more than speculation & opinion, I see no supporting studies of this claim. I have always been & will always be a follower of & firm believer in on hands experience / proof, & science. Everyone has an opinion, the real proof of it all is in the science & the experiences.

How many mg of benadryl did u take each night??? I have heard this method also works by people with many clen cycles under their belt??

[The Bear 79]

I think I was up to 100 + mg per night (before bed) if I remember correctly.

[minitourwvu]

I think I was up to 100 + mg per night (before bed) if I remember correctly.

Dang did i crash hard n feel drowsy the next mor?

[The Bear 79]

Actually it wasn't so bad, I don't sleep well as it is, so a "knock you on your ass dose" of Benadryl every night for 2 weeks was a welcome relief for lack of a better term. I did feel a bit groggy at first, but after I settled into the routine, I felt great.

[cebby1985]

Ok im going to hijack a little here. If you run clen longer than 2 wks straight should keto be ran every third wk ir every day starting the third wk to the end of the cycle?

[MACKATTACK]

Keto is so cheap, just run it from the start and don't drain your beta receptors..........end of story.....