Cycle advice for semi-noob

[leoalure]

Hello eveyone,

Let me first start by saying I had been using Testosterone for about 5 months via my Doctor. He then prescribed me with HGC and I used it for 2 months to cut weight.
I took 500 mg per week of testosterone and my doc even suggested 1,000 mg's but I played it safe. I took 7 to 10 cc of HGC per week.

My question is I am starting a cycle of Deca Durabolin and Testocor. I am planning to take 400mg of Deca Durabolin and 500 mg of Testocor per week. I will cycle for 8 weeks and then for 2 weeks take a lower dose maybe 200 - 300 mg of Testosterone.

Following the off cycle I will go back to Deca and Testocor and rinse, repeat.

I have good genetics and actually gained 15 pounds of muscle during my first ever cycle with Testosterone.

I am not trying to become a bodybuilder, I just want to get bigger and stronger, safely....

Does this all seem logical or am I way off the rails?
Also, can I inject Deca in the quad muscle like I have been injecting testosterone?
Thanks in advance for the advice.....

[AD]

Hello eveyone,

Let me first start by saying I had been using Testosterone for about 5 months via my Doctor. He then prescribed me with HGC and I used it for 2 months to cut weight.
I took 500 mg per week of testosterone and my doc even suggested 1,000 mg's but I played it safe. I took 7 to 10 cc of HGC per week.


Does this all seem logical or am I way off the rails?

i think your "Doctor" is the one who is way off rails.. seriously? Medical doctor?

[Super-Chump]

He seriously said that you could take up to 1000mg per week? Are you trolling us?

I thought TRT was ~50-150mg per week, could be wrong though

But yes there is no reason you can't inject deca in your quad or anywhere else for that matter

[leoalure]

ok, so injecting in the quad is good. What do you think is a typical dosage that should use for a safe amount of testosterone and deca ?

Ps. I don't troll, not really sure what that means.... Im just looking for answers, geez

[ScotchGuard02]

Hello eveyone,

Let me first start by saying I had been using Testosterone for about 5 months via my Doctor.
Is this a medical Dr.? Chiropractor? Dentist?

He then prescribed me with HGC and I used it for 2 months to cut weight.
Same Dr. prescribing HCG for 2 months for weight loss?

I took 500 mg per week of testosterone and my doc even suggested 1,000 mg's but I played it safe.
This is no kind of doctor I've ever met.

I took 7 to 10 cc of HGC per week.
What's the concentration of the HCG?

My question is I am starting a cycle of Deca Durabolin and Testocor. I am planning to take 400mg of Deca Durabolin and 500 mg of Testocor per week. I will cycle for 8 weeks and then for 2 weeks take a lower dose maybe 200 - 300 mg of Testosterone.

Following the off cycle I will go back to Deca and Testocor and rinse, repeat.
Are you on TRT? You don't care if your nuts shuts down forever?

I have good genetics and actually gained 15 pounds of muscle during my first ever cycle with Testosterone.

I am not trying to become a bodybuilder, I just want to get bigger and stronger, safely....
Part of safety is PCT. Are you doing PCT?

Does this all seem logical or am I way off the rails?
Also, can I inject Deca in the quad muscle like I have been injecting testosterone?
Thanks in advance for the advice.....

I don't get the feeling you know what you're doing. I think you're gonna hurt yourself. You should do more research and find another Dr. that will treat you safely.

[ironbeck]

what's the name of your doctor

[BBrian]

Perhaps you meant that the doc recommended 1000 iu of HCG?

[leoalure]

Yes, 1000 iu of HCG , sorry for the boo boo.

The point of this forum or so I thought was to get help, advice for steroids . After all, they are illegal and I cant just go randomly asking big dudes in the gym.

FYI, I no longer see my doctor because I moved to another state. This is an independent venture, I was hopeful to get good logical advice, not rude, smug comments.
Geez, we are men right? Lets limit the sarcasm and stick to the matter at hand, please...

I don't need to know how clueless I am and I will not be giving out my former doctors name, thats just dumb. I just want to know if my cycle is logical or what adjustments should I make before using it. That is all, thanks once again in advance...

[RocK SoliD MN]

ok, so injecting in the quad is good. What do you think is a typical dosage that should use for a safe amount of testosterone and deca ?

Ps. I don't troll, not really sure what that means.... Im just looking for answers, geez

You can go in your in quad, I know there is places on the web, that will show you where is the safe spot. But from my exprience, I hate going in my leg, feels like a harpoon most of the time & your first few shots will feel like a 3-4 day charlie horse, lol. I always stick with my butt checks & I always have a less fear of hitting a vain. I think most people have diffrent thoughts on the dosage for test & decca, I usally work my way up to around 2 1/2 cc of each ever 5 days & stay at that threw my whole cycle. Always start with 1cc of each & work your way up. My first cycle, I jumped up to fast in my first month & the way I felt scared the crap out of me. Plus when I'm on I always watch the white of my eyes, If your pumping to much in to fast, you will notice yellow in your whites & your liver can't handle that amount so soon. I always take milk thistle & their is better stuff out there to help your liver, but I think the other stuff cost to much a month & I think the milk thistle works just fine for me. also for myself, I always run test cyp & decca & keep the doage the same between the two. when I run the 2 together I never really see much change besides for strenght intill I'm in my 3rd month & that is when I see myself get most of my gains in weight & thickness, So I always stay on for awhile longer past that point. so for me running decca for only 12 weeks is a waste, Cause that is when I start to see my body change & really start to grow!

[leoalure]

You can go in your in quad, I know there is places on the web, that will show you where is the safe spot. But from my exprience, I hate going in my leg, feels like a harpoon most of the time & your first few shots will feel like a 3-4 day charlie horse, lol. I always stick with my butt checks & I always have a less fear of hitting a vain. I think most people have diffrent thoughts on the dosage for test & decca, I usally work my way up to around 2 1/2 cc of each ever 5 days & stay at that threw my whole cycle. Always start with 1cc of each & work your way up. My first cycle, I jumped up to fast in my first month & the way I felt scared the crap out of me. Plus when I'm on I always watch the white of my eyes, If your pumping to much in to fast, you will notice yellow in your whites & your liver can't handle that amount so soon. I always take milk thistle & their is better stuff out there to help your liver, but I think the other stuff cost to much a month & I think the milk thistle works just fine for me. also for myself, I always run test cyp & decca & keep the doage the same between the two. when I run the 2 together I never really see much change besides for strenght intill I'm in my 3rd month & that is when I see myself get most of my gains in weight & thickness, So I always stay on for awhile longer past that point. so for me running decca for only 12 weeks is a waste, Cause that is when I start to see my body change & really start to grow!

Thats good sound advice. I have never attempted to inject myself in the ass, so it will be a little strange at first. The quad injection does hurt a little but thats where my doctor showed me to inject. I think that I will start out using everything light and then go from there. Thanks for the advice

[BBrian]

If you're injecting more than twice per week, you'll have to use places other than your glutes. The quads are personally my favorite places to inject, and I use four different sites on each quad. This is nothing more than a matter of experience. I have no fear when it comes to injecting into the quads, and I suffer no soreness afterwards, which again is a matter of having used these muscles as injection sites for quite a while.

I'd also like to touch on Rock Solid's advice on starting low and working your way up. This is actually not good advice at all. Plan out your cycle, decide upon a set dosage, and stick with that. Also, standard doses of injectables do not affect the liver enough to cause jaundice. When it comes to deca , 12 weeks is the standard protocol, but it also has a half-life of 21 days, so most people will run test longer than deca for the sake of PCT. Also, one should not rely on deca for lean muscle mass. That is what the test is for, the deca has other benefits, and should be viewed as a compound that compliments other bulking compounds.

[kelkel]

^^^^Exactly what Brian said!

[RocK SoliD MN]

If you're injecting more than twice per week, you'll have to use places other than your glutes. The quads are personally my favorite places to inject, and I use four different sites on each quad. This is nothing more than a matter of experience. I have no fear when it comes to injecting into the quads, and I suffer no soreness afterwards, which again is a matter of having used these muscles as injection sites for quite a while.

I'd also like to touch on Rock Solid's advice on starting low and working your way up. This is actually not good advice at all. Plan out your cycle, decide upon a set dosage, and stick with that. Also, standard doses of injectables do not affect the liver enough to cause jaundice. When it comes to deca, 12 weeks is the standard protocol, but it also has a half-life of 21 days, so most people will run test longer than deca for the sake of PCT. Also, one should not rely on deca for lean muscle mass. That is what the test is for, the deca has other benefits, and should be viewed as a compound that compliments other bulking compounds.

BBrian question for you? I'm starting my cycle here in a few weeks. I will be taking test cyp 300, decca 300 & adding 50mg dbol caps this time around. I plan to be up to 3cc of each every 5 days by my 6th week. I will start at 1cc of each & work my way up each or every other shot & stay at that threw my whole cycle. I will take a 50 cap once a day also all the way threw. my cycles usally run around 6 months, depending how my body feels. So your saying its bad to start out at 1cc of each your first couple of shots, instead of building my tolerance up first, I should just pound 3cc of each right off the bat. I would think the test would give you a heart attack your first or second week from doing that. Are you talking from exprience & have done these kind of levels with these 2 right away like that & have not had problems?

[boxin23]

Is it the tren making me angry or this post? J/K

Why does your doc have you on test?

[boxin23]

BBrian question for you? I'm starting my cycle here in a few weeks. I will be taking test cyp 300, decca 300 & adding 50mg dbol caps this time around. I plan to be up to 3cc of each every 5 days by my 6th week. I will start at 1cc of each & work my way up each or every other shot & stay at that threw my whole cycle. I will take a 50 cap once a day also all the way threw. my cycles usally run around 6 months, depending how my body feels. So your saying its bad to start out at 1cc of each your first couple of shots, instead of building my tolerance up first, I should just pound 3cc of each right off the bat. I would think the test would give you a heart attack your first or second week from doing that. Are you talking from exprience & have done these kind of levels with these 2 right away like that & have not had problems?

Dude a gram of each a week.....my buddy does but he is Mr....i wont say....and is 5-6 and 265, and that is all he does for a living. You seem to be running a ton of gear. I know it is your choice.

It is not a tolerance thing, sort of.....your receptors are battling for the drug basically. IMO you dont need to run so much test with the decca. Let the 19 nor work for you.

Why do you need so much?

[RocK SoliD MN]

Dude a gram of each a week.....my buddy does but he is Mr....i wont say....and is 5-6 and 265, and that is all he does for a living. You seem to be running a ton of gear. I know it is your choice.

It is not a tolerance thing, sort of.....your receptors are battling for the drug basically. IMO you dont need to run so much test with the decca. Let the 19 nor work for you.

Why do you need so much?

For me, if I run more decca than test, I lose my aggression & that is what I love about test cyp. So I run them the same. Now with decca, I feel it works best for me around 750mg & thought I push to 900mg this time. From what I've seen & heard people they get the most out of decca at 600mg-900mg a week & anything over that is a waste & anything under & your just teasing yourself. decca is strong & will work at only around 200mg week. I have buddys just like yours, I'm 29 6ft 250 lbs & they make me feel like a girl in the mirror next to them. The only time they run 1cc is to just maintain what they got & they did'nt get to where they are now only running 1cc. I'm sure your buddy runs 1cc of each a week & probley does it year round switching between gear with no down time like most that do big time shows. But you should ask him what he runs when he is getting ready for a show, Good one would be how many units of growth you take a day during that time. Mabye you might understand or see where I'm coming from. I'm not trying to do a show or nothing, Just like to be thick & strong. As my dad would say, I'm trying to fill his shoes. When he was 30, he was 6 ft 285 19 1/2 inch arms 56 inch chest & had abs. I know I look at things diffrent from some people on here & you think I'm going to be running alot of gear, but compared to all the big boys I watched on the gas & learning about all the stuff they would take growing up. I think I'm right around borderline safe zone.

[BBrian]

BBrian question for you? I'm starting my cycle here in a few weeks. I will be taking test cyp 300, decca 300 & adding 50mg dbol caps this time around. I plan to be up to 3cc of each every 5 days by my 6th week. I will start at 1cc of each & work my way up each or every other shot & stay at that threw my whole cycle. I will take a 50 cap once a day also all the way threw. my cycles usally run around 6 months, depending how my body feels. So your saying its bad to start out at 1cc of each your first couple of shots, instead of building my tolerance up first, I should just pound 3cc of each right off the bat. I would think the test would give you a heart attack your first or second week from doing that. Are you talking from exprience & have done these kind of levels with these 2 right away like that & have not had problems?

Well, if you're running a single cycle for six months without a cruise, I'd probably offer different advice than above. But with what you're running, if it were a standard 10-16 week cycle, yes, I would start out injecting the max dose of cyp and deca and rely on the dbol to start things off while I waited for the cyp and deca, both extremely long esters, to accumulate and really take effect. But like I said that is for a standard cycle time, with what you're doing it makes perfect sense to taper up, after all, you have a LOT of time on your hands there.

[BBrian]

We need a smiley for when our internet bogs down and double posts.

[leoalure]

Is it the tren making me angry or this post? J/K

Why does your doc have you on test?

Because, I wanted to try it legally. Watch "Bigger, Stronger, Faster" and you will know why...
He is a medical doctor and I took his advice.

[boxin23]

Because, I wanted to try it legally. Watch "Bigger, Stronger, Faster" and you will know why...
He is a medical doctor and I took his advice.

I run gear i don't need to watch a movie to understand. A regular doc won't give you a scrip just because at that dosage you stated. That is malpractice waiting to happen. I call b.s. on it.

I know a doc that has done this with older guys but only gave them between 250 and 500 a week.

[RocK SoliD MN]

[QUOTE=boxin23;5952658]Is it the tren making me angry or this post? J/K

Why does your doc have you on test?[/QUOTE

Boxin23, I see your talking about tren, I know really nothing about it. I was thinking about trying a run of it cause I hear you get better results from it compared to decca. Could you give me a breakdown on the diffrence between the two. From what I've read up on. there is bad side effects. The one that worried me the most was shortness of breath. Is this true? Plus to is there a long acting acting tren that I can take like decca. from the tren stuff I've read about, it said you need to take a shot every 3 days at the longest & that has kept me away from it. Could I get away with one every 5days like test cyp, so I can take them at the same time. Just wondering if you could give me some advice about it.

[boxin23]

[QUOTE=RocK SoliD MN;5953256]

Is it the tren making me angry or this post? J/K

Why does your doc have you on test?[/QUOTE

Boxin23, I see your talking about tren, I know really nothing about it. I was thinking about trying a run of it cause I hear you get better results from it compared to decca. Could you give me a breakdown on the diffrence between the two. From what I've read up on. there is bad side effects. The one that worried me the most was shortness of breath. Is this true? Plus to is there a long acting acting tren that I can take like decca. from the tren stuff I've read about, it said you need to take a shot every 3 days at the longest & that has kept me away from it. Could I get away with one every 5days like test cyp, so I can take them at the same time. Just wondering if you could give me some advice about it.

Have you read in the forum on tren. In the anabolic library there is a very good write up on it.

I don't have a problem with shortness of breath. But MANY people have bad sides. Especially people who don't know how to properly run it or know what to take with it. Here you go:


Click Drug Name to View Profile: Trenbolone Acetate