Question on test

[Crazedlk]

Hey i am going to start a test tren and winny cycle and was wanting to know wich test is better for a cutting cycle or should i do sust 250 and get all 3 all answers are appreciated

[Crazedlk]

Is there a difference

[D7M]

What do you mean, "do sust and get all 3"? I don't think you fully understand the composition of sust.

Aaanyway, I personally don't think the ester makes much of a difference for cutting or bulking.

Out of curiosity, what are your previous cycles? Stats?

[Crazedlk]

My last cycle was test and deca i now weigh 255 at 6ft i need to cut about 30lb so now i want to run tren and i was told to add test and winny and that should do what i want im pretty big just have a gut that needs to go lol

[songdog]

You need a diet and cardio and how many cycles have YOU ran?

[TraPump]

It has been disproved that "test is test" over and over again and for some reason that information doesn't get out in this community. The different esters will have different effects. Not all test is equal once different esters are added and the weight and ration of the compounds change. there are several studies on it out there if you just search testosterone esters in google scholar

besides these studies from dumbass scientists (lol) if you read alot of the content that is posted throughout our communities you will find thread after thread of different esters and the DIFFERENT results achieved using DIFFERENT esters of test. test is test until an ester is added. the body will react differently with prop ester as opposed to cypionate ester or an acetate ester as opposed to an enanthate and so on

[JohnnyVegas]

It has been disproved that "test is test" over and over again and for some reason that information doesn't get out in this community. The different esters will have different effects. Not all test is equal once different esters are added and the weight and ration of the compounds change. there are several studies on it out there if you just search testosterone esters in google scholar

besides these studies from dumbass scientists (lol) if you read alot of the content that is posted throughout our communities you will find thread after thread of different esters and the DIFFERENT results achieved using DIFFERENT esters of test. test is test until an ester is added. the body will react differently with prop ester as opposed to cypionate ester or an acetate ester as opposed to an enanthate and so on

Links please.

"You are stupid, Google it" isn't a very good argument.

Pretty sure most here understand the differences in measured weight per ester. I found one (on Google, not Scholar where I am going next) by Anthony Roberts (not trusted here) entitled TRUTH ABOUT ESTERS REVEALED FOR THE FIRST TIME! Hard to believe that rocket scientist discovered something in 2007 that was previously unknown to the scientific and bodybuilding communities.

OK, tired of looking in Google Scholar, so I will go back to one of my favorite books:
It is also important to stress the fact that esters do not alter the activity of the parent steroid in any way. They work only to slow its release. It is quite common to hear people speak about the properties of different esters, almost as if they can magically alter a steroid's effectiveness. This is really nonsense. Enanthate is not more powerful than cypionate (perhaps a few extra milligrams of testosterone released per injection, but nothing to note), nor is Sustanon some type of incredible testosterone blend. Personally, I have always considered Sustanon a very poor buy in the face of cheaper 250 mg enanthate ampules. Your muscle cells see only testosterone; ultimately there is no difference. Reports of varying levels of muscle gain, androgenic side effects, water retention, etc. are only issues of timing. Faster releasing testosterone esters will produce estrogen buildup faster simply because there is more testosterone free in the blood from the start of the cycle. The same is true when we state that Durabolin ® is a milder nandrolone for women compared to Deca . It is simply easier to control the blood level with a faster acting drug. Were virilization symptoms to become apparent, hormone levels will drop much faster once we stop administration. This should not be confused with the notion that the nandrolone in Durabolin® acts differently in the body than that released from a shot of Deca-Durabolin®.

Llewellyn, William (2011-08-04). Anabolics E-Book Edition (Kindle Locations 481-490). Molecular Nutrition. Kindle Edition.

[phoenix44]

I would tend to agree. Test is test. Your bulking or cutting comes solely from dieting.
We used to cut while on dbol and prop back in the day just to keep our strength. Once the water weight went away we were just as good or better than when cutting on prop and winny.

But that's a long time ago and things have changed for better or worse ill never know

[Crazedlk]

So if you were going to take test tren e and winstrol which test is better to only use once a week thanks for all the feedback

[cebby1985]

If you have a gut, cycling is the last thing you want to do. Steroids don't "cut" you. A diet "cuts" you.

[cebby1985]

Also, if you don't know the different esters, you have a lot mire researching to do. This is all pretty basic.