Winnie, Tbol, Var....add HCG during?

[jay007]

Need some advice on cycling Winnie (oral), Tbol (oral) and Var (oral) and the use of HCG during the cycle.

I plan on running the following:
wks 1-6 Winnie 100mgs ED , Tbol 100mgs ED, var 100mgs ED. split twice a day 50mgs/50mgs
wks 7-12 tbol 100mgs ED and Var 100mgs ED. split twice a day 50mgs/50mgs
wks 13-19 Winnie 100mgs ED , Tbol 100mgs ED, var 100mgs ED. split twice a day 50mgs/50mgs

i was going to run 250ius of HCG ever 5 days and run clomid/novaldex for pct.

the goal is to stay away from adding test and keep my natural test as normal as possible..

[bjpennnn]

run the hcg during the cycle, may want to throw in 200mg of test ew just to keep the pecker going. That is a lot of orals. You afraid of needles?

[fukngruvn]

i dont think this cycle is a good idea. stacking 2 orals for 19 weeks is crazy stressful on the liver.

also, i've never taken tbol, but i'm pretty sure it will shut you down.. - meaning you will have no natural test production anyways...

how many cycles have you done, stats?

[DamageDealer]

three orals at the same time, no test. lol. good luck keeping your natural test "as normal as possible". and say hi to your liver from me

[Steroidman99]

Do you intend to commit a slow suicide? I would say that you still have too little Winstrol. I would take at least 500 mg/day. I am almost sure that your liver would collapse after 19 weeks.

[gixxerboy1]

Do you intend to commit a slow suicide? I would say that you still have too little Winstrol. I would take at least 500 mg/day. I am almost sure that your liver would collapse after 19 weeks.

what are you talking about. I use 50mg ed, i've never even heard of what you are recommending

[DanB]

500mg ed? good chance you will end up in hospital

[BigGuy90]

Running those orals for 5 months is a bad idea. Running two orals at a time isn't a great idea. Even though each individual one won't shut you down all the way, all three of them will have a greater chance of shutting you down to the point where you could have sides like ED, depression etc..stats will help out btw

[gonzo6183]

Is your intention a liver transplant?

That will still shut you down, test would be 10 X the option

Umm youve been on here since 2003 and you come up with one of the worst cycle ive seen, whats the go?

[jay007]

i'm looking for a simple answer to the question. which is hcg at 250ius every five days.
thats all ...the sarcasm is great but not useful. i know the test wont be at a natural level i just want to prevent a full shutdown...ive taking plenty of test and it will shut you down...

[gixxerboy1]

that cycle will cause full shut down and lots of other issues.

[DanB]

apart from anything else here

a prop/var or winny or tbol cycle would be alot more effective than using the 3 orals i.m.o

and with hcg there should be no issues with recovery provided you run a proper pct with it

i have never ran a 3 oral only cycle but i have ran 2, and been shut down and i can tell you that the lack of energy that goes with it makes training hard, even motivation to train can be hard at times and this hinders your gains

with test even low dose you wont have this problem

anyways thats my opinion on what i would do

[jay007]

what would be the least amount of test to take to keep natural function?

[DanB]

250mg would suffice

you could go lower but not worth it, you will also see some gains at 250mg with minimal bloat if any

use a low dose a.i. such as .25mg armidex eod

and this wont keep natural function, by supplementing exogenous testosterone this will make up for natural production being shut from the orals and should keep test levels at the highest end of normal scale at the very least, I would suspect it will put it higher than the normal ranges but everybody is different and there is too many factors to give an accurate guesstimation

[jay007]

so if it wont keep my naturals level up wouldnt the hCG be bale to do that so i dont shut down completely then follow it with cloimd and novaldex for PCT

[gonzo6183]

Did you end up arranging a liver transplant in advance?

Seriously how can someone that has been on here for almost 10 years be so dumb...

[jay007]

ok, so gonzo...first off id check that attitude right there. i have run orals before and my blood work has come back clean.
running 52, milk thistle, and a ton of water has keept it ok. my concren is not the live but losing sperm production and libido.
so if your not here to answer the question take your scrawny ass off the post. im here for intelligent answers and not so wise ass crap.
and yes ive been on for 10 years, so i might know something about my body and taking the correct precautions.

[gonzo6183]

So why are you not listening to what people are telling you? taking these three compounds together is a bad idea for many reasons, they will shut you down, you will do liver damage, sperm production will be down plus a whole range of other issues.

Maybe if you were to post what your goals are with the cycle you could be given some advice on more appropriate compounds to take, as mentioned doing this will shut you down so a better option would be a test based cycle, run your HCG throughout and a full PCT and recovery should be fine.

Without your stats and goals it is hard to determine what you are trying to achieve with the cycle but I can only assume it is a cut or lean bulk.

A very effective cycle for this that would be simple to get a full recovery from might be:
Prop 10-12 weeks
Var last 6-8 weeks
Run HCG 250iu 2 x per week thoughout cycle
PCT: Clomid 100/100/50/50 Nolva 40/40/20/20

I would suggest a break after this get all your blood work done and exchanging the Var for Tbol/winny in your next run

As you seem to want to run very long cycles then the slingshot is something you may want to consider although this will greatly reduce your chances of recovery.

Hope you find that a little more helpful, I was just shocked that someone would put their body through your proposed cycle.

Gonzo

[jay007]

goals are my usual for this time of year. looking to to lean up and put on a few pounds.
the compounds im going to take should do the trick. question would going 6 weeks on, 6 weeks off and 6 weeks back on be a better formula for success? i would continue to run hcg every 5 days at 250IU until week 6, week 7 run pct, and then week 13 run the hcg again until 18, week 19 pct. would this help in natural test, and sperm count.
im not looking to get huge, been there and done that in the past.
stats 5'6, 190lbs, numerous cycles.