ai/pct help needed

**gonnagethuge** · 03-30-2012, 06:11 PM

I would really appreciate some clarification on a few points mainly related to pct and ai's. I've researched on many sites and answers seem to be different.

Firstly is he general consesus on the board that an ai is not required throughout pct? Is so why is this? Is it for the reason that estrogen may be driven too low?

Secondly - why is it then that some people continually recommend that an ai such as aromasin (due to being a suicide type therefore no rebounduh) be used with nolva/clomid during pct? Why would an ai be beneficial? Does estrogen need controlled at this point? I ask because i was under the impression that estrogen should already be low following a cycle? Or is this all basically dependent on whether an ai was used throughout the cycle? For instance does it boil down to the following:

AI used during cycle = low estro pct therefore no need for ai estrogen control during pct.

No AI used during cycle = high estrogen going into pct therefore ai estrogen control is reqiired during pct.

Just trying to get a handle on this.

Thanks.

**gonnagethuge** · 03-31-2012, 03:03 AM

Any help would be appreciated please.

**Stosh_112** · 03-31-2012, 03:36 AM

Aromasin is good for noticable sides or to be on the safe side, prevent them from the start. By eliminating 80% of estrogen, (some estrogen is needed to gain muscle). Ur right with the suicide aspect. But the reason its not needed in pct is becouse Nolva has a diff compound and regulates estrogen in a diff way that aromasin. The diff compounds of each plays a diff role on and off cycle. Need a scientist in here for more clarity.

But IMO Use a low dose of Ai to prevent gyno, then do the standard Nolva 40,40,20,20 and Clomid 100,50,50,50.

Hope this helps ya out.

**gonnagethuge** · 03-31-2012, 03:52 AM

Thanks bro, it does a bit. It's the one thing that's confusing the hell outta me as answers vary grealy from one thread to the next. I can see here that the standard sort of respobse is use ai on cycle the nolva/clonid for pct but elsewhere (and a few threads on here) can be totally different but with no real explanation.

I understand that nolva blocks estrogen at the receptor however this confuses me as surely estrogen is still present to cause problems when nolva is removed simply because nolva doesn't actually reduce the estro levels like an ai does? Or is this simply dependent on what i touched upon in my first post in that an ai during cycle will have estrogen low anyway goin into pct? I.e is an ai only not needed simlpy because it should have been used on cycle? I do however see other threads recommending the use of an ai from start to finish which justs adds to my confusion a bit more.

I know that getting bloodwork done is what should be done but just want to understand the theory behind things.

**Stosh_112** · 03-31-2012, 03:58 AM

Its late here in the States, im sure more knowledgable members will join the thread, check back and see what others have to say.

**gonnagethuge** · 03-31-2012, 05:43 AM

Lol, i hope so. Thanks bro.

**redz** · 03-31-2012, 08:05 AM

I have tried both ways, Now I run Nolva clomid pct with some hcg on cycle. I take aromasin on cycle but stop at pct. I always have everything I could possible need on hand, litterally too much of it just in case (Aromasin/Adex/Letro) etc. Better to be safe than sorry.

**kelkel** · 03-31-2012, 09:43 AM

The basic point of your pct and the exclusion of an AI is to allow your system to return to "normal." Your body can't find homeostasis with the AI included. PCT is about returning to your bodies own endogenous levels.

**gonnagethuge** · 03-31-2012, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by kelkel

The basic point of your pct and the exclusion of an AI is to allow your system to return to "normal." Your body can't find homeostasis with the AI included. PCT is about returning to your bodies own endogenous levels.

Thanks this makes sense. Is it therefore the case however that throughout pct there is now an increased risk of bloating as a result of high estrogen levels which are no longer being reduced by an ai like they would be on cycle?

**gonnagethuge** · 03-31-2012, 07:51 PM

Bump

**gonnagethuge** · 04-01-2012, 05:14 AM

Bump for my last question for the more knowledgable.

Just wonderig if ai during cycle then removed for pct = greater chance of bloat etc during pct as a rwsult of no control of estrogen levels?