4weeks on, 4weeks off. 22 year old bro.

[wreckage]

Okay, so I can't link posts. But if you google "short-cycles-good-gains-less-sides" and hit the page of the first result, you will find this.

"Novice... tren/D-BOL....

tren 50mg/day for 4 weeks and d-bol 30mg/day in 4 divided doses per day(one right before bed) for 4 weeks.
Two days after last tren do clomid at 200-300mg on day one in divided doses and then 50-100mg/day for a week and then 50mg a day for 3 more weeks. OR...Nolva at 80mg on day one in divided doses followed by 40mg/day for a week and then 20mg/day for 3 more weeks.
Have nolva or clomid on hand for gyno protection."

So I got some questions...

1. Should I wait? been training 2 years.
2. Say I get gyno mid cycle, what should I do?
3. I guess they are talking about Tren Acetat?

I have fully respect for anabolics.

[OnTheSauce]

Id say you are too young. I started early though, but unless you are competing just wait till 24/25

[wreckage]

yeah I know I should...
btw, did my last shot of test prop wich I injected EOD for 3 weeks. Not having any serms on hand was a bad idea. So now my erection is weak as ****... but probably will get up

[0tolerance]

well... to be quite honest, i havnt done tren yet,
but from everything i read, tren on its own is a pretty bad idea and combining with dbol would be worse.

Have you cycled before?
whats your stats?

if your thinking of doing steroids, your best doing a Test enth only cycle for 12 weeks at 500mg/w and have all your PCT meds on hand.

Do lots of reading dude, because one you screw up your system it can be near impossible to get it back to its original state.

[0tolerance]

Definitely do ALOT of research on PCT and how vital it is.

[wreckage]

210 lbs... 6'0
gained 33 lbs on 1 year and 6 months...

well the thing with dbol is that it's a form for testosterone.

[0tolerance]

dbol is not a form of testosterone at all, you need to read all the educational and steroid profile threads.
If you keep taking steroids the way you are, your going to become a poster child for steroid abuse.

Take nolvadex and clomid for PCT

Make sure your taking testosterone with anything that isnt.. but probably my best advice is STOP before you seriously hurt yourself, i hate to preach but you really havnt done your research with this one at all and the damage may not be evident right now but in a few years you will start to notice it, believe me.

[DamageDealer]

dbol is not a form of testosterone at all, you need to read all the educational and steroid profile threads.
If you keep taking steroids the way you are, your going to become a poster child for steroid abuse.

Take nolvadex and clomid for PCT

Make sure your taking testosterone with anything that isnt.. but probably my best advice is STOP before you seriously hurt yourself, i hate to preach but you really havnt done your research with this one at all and the damage may not be evident right now but in a few years you will start to notice it, believe me.

i'm pretty sure he already did hurt himself, so for now all he can do is stick with test and learn about the importance of PCT. or quit steroids for a couple of years altogether

[wreckage]

You mean this 3 week cycle of test prop i did will hurt me later?

using test booster atm...

[The Bear 79]

I guess not everyone learns from their mistakes.................some people have to stick their withered, blistered hand BACK in the fire to make sure the salvageable flesh that was left, is thoroughly melted & chard right off the bone..................BRILLIANT!

[DanB]

Okay, so I can't link posts. But if you google "short-cycles-good-gains-less-sides" and hit the page of the first result, you will find this.

"Novice... tren/D-BOL....

tren 50mg/day for 4 weeks and d-bol 30mg/day in 4 divided doses per day(one right before bed) for 4 weeks.
Two days after last tren do clomid at 200-300mg on day one in divided doses and then 50-100mg/day for a week and then 50mg a day for 3 more weeks. OR...Nolva at 80mg on day one in divided doses followed by 40mg/day for a week and then 20mg/day for 3 more weeks.
Have nolva or clomid on hand for gyno protection."

So I got some questions...

1. Should I wait? been training 2 years.
2. Say I get gyno mid cycle, what should I do?
3. I guess they are talking about Tren Acetat?

I have fully respect for anabolics.

Stupid statement

you research on google for 2 minutes, come up with one of the worst cycles possible, and then try say you have respect for aas? lmfao

and all this is after your last thread, worrying had you already fvcked yourself up lol

and you said in previous thread you want to use steroids to change your jawline?

you need to stop and re-read your own posts and see how utterly stupid they sound

[wreckage]

i'm that sort of guy who wants everything now!

[DanB]

then run your ''cycle'' now and you can have trt at 22 instead of 35-45

[The Bear 79]

What will you do when everything you want is taken from you because of your lack of knowledge, experience & patience?

[wreckage]

well.. guys i'm not going to run it... I just posted it here to ask you if it was bad.
i'll just hide away the steroid toughts and train natural for atleast 5 more years... and then I start research it again..

So hopefully this 3 week cycle with test prop 100mg EOD won't hurt me. hope this test booster i'm using now will get me back on track.

[The Bear 79]

There's no such thing as a Test. Booster, none of them do what they say they do, think about it............if all those Test. Boosters worked, we would all use them instead of risking permanent shut down from AAS. Go get your money back, & get your hands on some Nolva., I'm still not completely convinced you need it, but I guess it couldn't hurt. BTW, you don't have wait until you're ready to cycle to do your research, you can start your research now, & then by the time you're ready, you should be nothing short of a fvcking chemist bro, lol. In other words, you'll know everything about every compound............from their chemical composition, to their side effects, to the most effective way to utilize each....................EVERYTHING!

[wreckage]

thanks for the advice bro I'm so glad there is people like you around.
I can't get my hands on nolva now.. But the test boosters work a little bit, it's noothing compared to AAS.
More like 5% spike to natty test imo. That's just my two cents.

btw: now two weeks after last injection... My facial hair growth is growing like hell compared to pre-juice and while juicing. Also i'm more stable mentally now, than before the juice... But the funny thing is that it's prop and it have 48 hour half-life right?

[darkcrayz]

thanks for the advice bro I'm so glad there is people like you around.
I can't get my hands on nolva now.. But the test boosters work a little bit, it's noothing compared to AAS.
More like 5% spike to natty test imo. That's just my two cents.

btw: now two weeks after last injection... My facial hair growth is growing like hell compared to pre-juice and while juicing. Also i'm more stable mentally now, than before the juice... But the funny thing is that it's prop and it have 48 hour half-life right?

if you live in the US you can get nolva/clomid/letro/prami/cialis/etc without an issue. AR-R has it.

plus why run a 3 week cycle that consists of injectables? if you want to run short cycles just run orals.

[wreckage]

Ok so guys I can get hold on HCG. Will it help?

[Brohim]

wreckage you are going to be wreckage if you keep being dumb. You don't need steriods at your age. Hell you don't need steriods at any age. You have to keep going on steriods in order to stay big. And the longer your cycle steriods the worse your natural level of test will be. And you might end up being married to a needle (no divorce allowed) at 35 year's old. It is not worth the hassle. Just learn how to be happy at 200lbs. No need to cycle roids unless you are a pro bber. Foundation of bbing is diet/excercise/rest. Perfect those and you will look really good and have good muscle size.

[DanB]

Help with a tren dbol cycle, wtf?

You been told its a terrible idea, but you dont want to listen

Now you just waiting to hear somebody say yeah run hcg with it and you be fine?

Anybody that knows anything knows it isnt a good idea for you to use steroids with your clear lack of knowledge, period

But hey you wont listen to people telling you not to run it so do what you like, I'll see you back here in a few months asking how to get rid of gyno and how to get your dick working again

Because yes thats what will happen

[gettintherequick]

DanB speaks the truth..raw..u should listen pal i think u need to take a deep breath sit back an gather ur thoughts an av a look at previous posts to see how much u are rushing into something so intricate and dangerous...

[wreckage]

I'm not going on tren/dbol... that was a post I wrote at the same time I wrote this.

So basically I'm just trying to get my natural test lvls up so I don't **** my endocrine system more than I already have done...

I got MassFX testo booster that I will run...

[DanB]

This thread is about tren/dbol, no mention of anything else

your testo booster is worthless

read this

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...e#.T3n8TdlrWSo

Do you meet any of this critera? or even come close?

[gettintherequick]

A test booster will do sweet FA they all a load of bollocks..if u are or have run steroids u need PCT tamoxifen/clomid or both honestly i wouldnt take them after a 3 week cycle maybe clomid for 7-14 days. U shud recover fine get bloods done if you are worried an go from there..i find it takes a good 6 weeks to feel recovered from even the shortest cycles and thats with aggressive pct

[wreckage]

I need to wait 8 days before I get money from my work...

The massFX got something that will reduce estrogen, better than nothing i guess?

I won't touch steroids again that's for sure...

[wreckage]

BTW! I can get some HCG to get my test levels back on track. Should I get it and just drop the test booster?