Starting "Keifei" Oxandrolone and Stanozolol. Have several questions please.

[Russian_Muscle]

Hey everyone,

new user here, Russian, living in Dubai.

So ive run around 4 cycles in the last 3 years, all under the supervision of an experienced bodybuilder.

I havent used anything for over a year, and i recently found out that my test levels are very low, even though i did go through PCT after each cycle, using clomid and nolva. Obviously didnt help, anyway...after some more climid, DHEA, HCG and stinging nettle extract. (These was a doc's prescription to bring my test levels back up) my test levels are fine.

Right now i want to take winny and anavar, as far as i knose two are not going to sut down my natural test production, is that right? Thats y frist questions.

Second questions is the dosage. I am planning to run 300mg of win per week, anavar starting with20mg per day first week, 2nd week 30mg, and then 40mg per day till the end of the cycle. What do you think? am i doing it wrong?

Thank you in advance for the replies, and sorry if i sound like a noob with my questions.

[Russian_Muscle]

c'mon guys. share the knowledge. so many fews and not one reply?

[Russian_Muscle]

very helpful board...

[Dr Pepper]

What's your stats?

Are u in TRT?

You need a test base with winny and Anavar.

[Russian_Muscle]

no i am not. I was under the impression that winny and Anavar will not effect my nautal est production, at least this is the info i got online; that these 2 compounds have a very mild effect on my test levels.

I didnt wanna take any testostorone simply becuase i dont want to shut down my own test.

Please help me out, is my info wrong and my litle cycle will shut down my natural test?


height: 185cm
weight: 91kg
bf%: not sure, i'd say around 12%?



current goal: wanna get a lot more lean while maintaining muscle. simply wanna get shredded. Hence the cycle....

[BigGuy90]

They will have an effect on your natural test production and will shut you down for a little bit. Even if it is not a complete shutdown. That's why test is always recommended as a base for ANY cycle, but there have been plenty of people who run oral cycles only and take a pct afterwards. Just depends how your own body reacts to taking an oral only cycle.

[Russian_Muscle]

They will have an effect on your natural test production and will shut you down for a little bit. Even if it is not a complete shutdown. That's why test is always recommended as a base for ANY cycle, but there have been plenty of people who run oral cycles only and take a pct afterwards. Just depends how your own body reacts to taking an oral only cycle.

alright, but wont taking test, completely shut down my natural test levels?

[BigGuy90]

They most likely won't completely shut down your natural test levels, you don't have low t right now do you?

[Russian_Muscle]

no, right now im fine.

what i want to understand is this: Yu are sayin i need to do TRT, ie: having test present in my cycle. But wont the test i will inject, shut down my natural test?

I was under the impression that winny and Anavar wont really effect my natural test levels, hence i dont wanna take any test. BUT if these 2 compounds will shut my test off, i might aswell to some cypo with it too.

[DanB]

how low are your test levels, do you know figures off top of your head?

you dont necessiarily need test, the reason being is that running a cycle such as the one you proposed will supress if not shut down natty test production and this will bring its own problems and potentially bring gains to a complete standstill, aswell as no libido, no energy, general shitty feeling

since you already have low test levels i would not want to supress them any further as even slight supression could drop levels to virtually nothing if they low to start with

i have ran oral only cycles and cycle with low dose test and high dose 2 orals and found the latter to be much more effective, by using hcg and proper pct you have every chance of restoring test levels back to where they were previous to your cycle along with the cycle being alot more effective than orals only

if you already have low test, low normal ranges or below, i would speak to doc about going on trt but if thats you in the avi then i dont think they that low due to the physique, it would be hard to hold that with low test

EDIT

just re read your above post, im playing poker here at same time so just skimmed through to begin with lol

the orals will supress your natty test, just how much is dose dependent and varys on the individual but low dose cyp say 250mg with the orals will be a good cycle and is what i would do personally

[Russian_Muscle]

thanks a lot for this detailed reply DanB!

So my test levels were low 2 months ago. however i did not do the correct test, i failed to do free testostorone test, i just did regular testostorone test. and the figures came up to 2.14*L nmol/L. I went through PCT my doc prescribed me(i posted that in my first post).

Now i am fine. i have not tested yet though, but i know im fine. sex drive is back and constant wood as usual

So please can you tell me how much sypo i should use per week with my cycle? and also, which of the 2(anavar or stan) supress the natural test more?

Regarding hcg, i only take it after im done with my cycle correct?

thanks once again


edit: yes thats me in the pic, quite old too. now a lot better

[Russian_Muscle]

also another queston. would the cypo be a good idea? cuz i wanna get shreded. really working on gettin sick abs and obliques.

[DanB]

it depends, you could run, 250mg and let the orals do the work, you could run 500+ mg and run var at start, winny at end

but if you just want to run short say 8 weeks then i would run prop

what is your cycle history and what did you find most effective, this will give better idea of what is best for you

and to be honest i dont know a definate answer to what supresses natty test more, i have ran 100mg var and felt definate supression but not full shut down, i have ran 60mg winny and felt mabey same level of supression but this is just guesswork, i never got bloodwork so cant know for sure and everybody different, i know people who experience more supression from orals and people who experience less

the hcg is best used on cycle, it basically helps maintain testicular size and function and therefore makes recovery during pct far easier

it used to be advocated to use in conjunction with pct but this info has now been shown to be outdated and better methods, such as the one above have come to light

[Russian_Muscle]

i see....yeah my cycle wont be longer than 8 weeks, at least thats the plan. so how much pro am i to run together with var week1(20mg)(week2(30mg)week3(40mg) and continue with 40 till the end. When should i hit winny?

my previous cycles, if i remember everything, cuz it was a while ago.....i did test prop+winny+EQ. did that for 1 month then 2nd month switched to enan.

i did that several times, same cycle. And when i did the cycle for the first time, i really started eating like a monster(only clean diet though) and trained so hard, took it all very serious..i just blew up...gained 20kg in 2 months, guys at the gym couldnt believe it.

i also did enanthate+win+turinabol(oral). was also not bad.

[DanB]

why taper up on the var? and i wouldnt run it lower than 60mg personally, even 40mg wouldnt do much i.m.o

run the prop at 100-150mg eod or 50-75mg ed depending on how often you want to pin

you can run the winny last 4-6 weeks and if your b/f is already low and you run a sufficient dose, 50mg min, you should really notice the ''drying out'' effects and also a nice strenght increase, the prop will also kick in around that time and give you another push

[Russian_Muscle]

sorry, what do u mean by taper up? so start with 60mg straight away?


also, run the prop all the way till the end?

[DanB]

yeah starting at 20 and working your way up is pointless and reduces the amount of time that there is sufficient levels to have any effect

yeah run prop 8 weeks, start pct 3 days after last injection and you can run the orals up to day before start of pct

and sorry i missed that before, they are a ugl and the rules state that we cant discuss them here so you need to edit the name from your post

but can you not buy direct from pharmacy in dubai?

[Russian_Muscle]

alright cool. and the way i ingest the pills dont matter? i would just take them throughout the day. 6 pills per day.

sorry if orgot about that rule, newbie

Well not really, you can buy some stuff in the pharmacy like sus, gh...but thats sold illegally in the pharmacy too, and only in some, if u know the guy. plus its so expensive too.

but steroids in UAE r very popular and easy to get them, ive got tons of dealers that i trust. i know that this product i am gettin is original.

[DanB]

var has a 8ish hour half life so best split between 2 or even 3 doses throughout the day

didnt know the winny half life so i looked it up, according to profile here its 8 hours so same dosing as var

what have you planned for pct

find out the names if the labs you can get a hold of, then just google the name of the lab and compound and you will see plenty of feedback from people on its quality, if its under/over dosed etc

[Russian_Muscle]

im gonna stick to the lab i mentioned before, i heard good feedback from users over here.

well i usually take clomid and nolva + HCG. a doctor has told me that DHEA and stinging nettle extract also works, and is more natural, rather than taking clomid and HCG.

what do you reckon?

once again, thanks a lot for taking the time to discuss this with me.

[DanB]

I have no experience with DHEA or stinging nettle extract so cant really comment on them, but I do know that SERMS should be the foundation of your PCT they are tried, tested and proven, mabey Swifto will see this and be able to comment on the DHEA and nettle extract but I wouldnt use them over SERMS, mabey add them but definately not as repla***ent

Possibly start a thread in PCT section and mabey somebody will be able to shed some more light on them for you

[Russian_Muscle]

Thank you DanB!

[akn]

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thanks akn