will adding clen to dboll test bulking cycle screw me

**big88sub** · 04-15-2012, 02:31 AM

My main goal is to bulk up but I'm not sure if I'll get my bf below 20 before I start my cycle. Can I ad clen for maybe the first six weeks or do yal think that will defeat even using dbol to kick start my cycle.

**leather daddy** · 04-15-2012, 02:41 AM

just bulk and dont worry about your bodyfat u can always cut after.No dont add clen at the start save it for during pct or after PCT. Need to keep calories and intensity high to slap on muscle mate.

**Dr Pepper** · 04-15-2012, 02:42 AM

SHouldnt be using aas at 20% bf anyway. But clen is useless unless below 10% bf and have your diet dialed in

**big88sub** · 04-15-2012, 04:21 AM

Clen is useless unless under 10 already that doesn't sound right but ok. I'm still open to suggestions thanks.

**big88sub** · 04-15-2012, 04:23 AM

Anything else that could be run for a moderate cutting cycle after my pct?

**DanB** · 04-15-2012, 04:26 AM

look into eca it can be ran for longer and has virtually no side effects for majority of people

**big88sub** · 04-15-2012, 02:25 PM

Thank you will do.

**Razor** · 04-15-2012, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by big88sub

Clen is useless unless under 10 already that doesn't sound right but ok. I'm still open to suggestions thanks.

whoever came up with this memorandum is a bro, and thats a bro statement, I ran clen at 15% and it got me down to 11%. And mind you I did this is during christmas holiday, zero cardio, zero working out for two weeks and zero diet..clen works..Im back at 12% because Im bulking again but clen does work and you can run it with t3 to make it run better. cycle it two weeks on two weeks of for 6 weeks and you will get what you want. but do it on pct.

**big88sub** · 04-15-2012, 02:33 PM

Raze what do you think about using clen and maybe t3 at beginning of my cycle to maybe drop a little bf or maintain bf

**Razor** · 04-15-2012, 02:39 PM

Why not just run it before to help prime for your cycle?

**big88sub** · 04-15-2012, 02:42 PM

I could do that. Cut for 4 weeks then start cycle. I'm probably going to do that. What is eca it said no results in search

**Sgt. Hartman** · 04-15-2012, 03:04 PM

Ephedra Caffeine Aspirin

**big88sub** · 04-15-2012, 06:10 PM

Does that come all together in pill and if does does anybody know any good brands

**denverpride** · 04-15-2012, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by Razr.

whoever came up with this memorandum is a bro, and thats a bro statement, I ran clen at 15% and it got me down to 11%. And mind you I did this is during christmas holiday, zero cardio, zero working out for two weeks and zero diet..clen works..Im back at 12% because Im bulking again but clen does work

I totally agree with this. I ran clen when I was 15 and it worked great. Good friend of mine ran it when he was 25 and it worked for him.

**christian123** · 04-15-2012, 06:28 PM

Buy Any brands its cheap as fck, and from my opinion , aspirin is worthless

**Sgt. Hartman** · 04-15-2012, 06:35 PM

Just because you don't know or understand aspirin's role in an ECA stack doesn't make it worthless.

And it's not that clen doesn't work above 15% BF, it's that it's not necessary. Anyone who can stick to a half ass diet and cardio program should be able to get below 15%.

**Razor** · 04-15-2012, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by Sgt. Hartman

Just because you don't know or understand aspirin's role in an ECA stack doesn't make it worthless.

And it's not that clen doesn't work above 15% BF, it's that it's not necessary. Anyone who can stick to a half ass diet and cardio program should be able to get below 15%.

key word "diet" that people dont like
who wants to do that when you can take a pill?

**Razor** · 04-15-2012, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by Sgt. Hartman

Just because you don't know or understand aspirin's role in an ECA stack doesn't make it worthless.

And it's not that clen doesn't work above 15% BF, it's that it's not necessary. Anyone who can stick to a half ass diet and cardio program should be able to get below 15%.

asprin helps put me to sleep, how does it help burn fat? if so Ill take it every night

**auslifta** · 04-15-2012, 06:40 PM

Aspirin is not useless at all. taken at a low dose daily has been shown to have many benefits and used in an ECA stack makes perfect sense.

As for the clen don't waste your time atm. If you can't wait to get in decent shape for a cycle, maybe cycling is not for you.

**Razor** · 04-15-2012, 06:44 PM

how does Aspirin burn fat and will it do it by itself if taken at night?

**Dpyle** · 04-15-2012, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by Razr.

how does Aspirin burn fat and will it do it by itself if taken at night?

Aspirin alone doesn't burn fat that I'm aware of. Low daily doses are used as a blood thinner for people with high BP. If you google ECA stack the wiki page should be one of the first that comes up and it has a pretty good explanation of how the three work together in the stack.

**Sgt. Hartman** · 04-15-2012, 07:04 PM

"Ephedrine-caffeine stimulates noradrenaline secretion, which then stimulates activity of cyclic AMP. Caffeine inhibits phosphodiesterase, the enzyme that metabolizes cyclic AMP, and thereby enhances noradrenaline. Aspirin enhances noradrenaline activity by inhibiting adenosine, which is involved in noradrenaline inactivation."

Not to mention aspirin also acts as a mild blood thinner so when you increase your heart rate there's less resistance to blood flow.

**big88sub** · 04-15-2012, 07:06 PM

My diet is pretty good right now ad I've dropped from 30 to 20 in a couple month I'm just anxious to start my cycle I'm taking oxy slot pro now and doing cardio almost everyday I went on a bike ride today about 5 miles of hilly Ohio back roads and it kicked my ass and will be doing everyday until my cycle. You guys are a big help. I'm not looking for the easy way out and I don't.feel I'm fat just trying to take.some advice and drop some bf but feel free to keep discussing your different opinions so I can make mine and again thanks.