crazy but will it work? SERM only cycle...

**Simon1972** · 04-17-2012, 11:59 PM

The idea is that by using nolvadex only at 20mg ED for approx 6 weeks, you end up doubling your natural test levels.

If you are a bodybuilder wanting to get Huge Quickly then this might not be for you.

However if you are an athlete, or perhaps a recreational bodybuilder looking at quicker recovery while not putting on too much mass

i know i can get Nolvadex but gear is becoming hard to source that is trustworthy (not fake) so was trying to think outside of the square.

I'm curious what people think of this idea, how effective it would be- side effects , how it could be run etc.

**auswest** · 04-18-2012, 12:37 AM

Originally Posted by Simon1972

The idea is that by using nolvadex only at 20mg ED for approx 6 weeks, you end up doubling your natural test levels.

If you are a bodybuilder wanting to get Huge Quickly then this might not be for you.

However if you are an athlete, or perhaps a recreational bodybuilder looking at quicker recovery while not putting on too much mass

i know i can get Nolvadex but gear is becoming hard to source that is trustworthy (not fake) so was trying to think outside of the square.

I'm curious what people think of this idea, how effective it would be- side effects , how it could be run etc.

I think someone asked this question the other day and was answered by saying the boost in test you may see does not make up for the loss of estrogen also required to build muscle

**cherryking** · 04-18-2012, 01:12 AM

Originally Posted by auswest

I think someone asked this question the other day and was answered by saying the boost in test you may see does not make up for the loss of estrogen also required to build muscle

Haha this is an interesting topic... What if you took estrogen with nolvadex

Could call it "Inverted Cycling" Mabey you could do it in between cycles of actual AAS

**DanB** · 04-18-2012, 01:29 AM

It's been covered many times, most recent was a couple days ago. Go back a couple pages or use the search function and you will have your answers

**Flier** · 04-18-2012, 01:30 AM

I took Toremifene for 3 months.
After 1 month my Test had doubled, after 2 months it started tapering off.
I noticed the extra test on my libido and strength.
My Estro elevated also, but within comfortable limits.

**cherryking** · 04-18-2012, 01:39 AM

Originally Posted by Flier

I took Toremifene for 3 months.
After 1 month my Test had doubled, after 2 months it started tapering off.
I noticed the extra test on my libido and strength.
My Estro elevated also, but within comfortable limits.

You had blood work-done? Did you see any gains with on it lol

**Flier** · 04-18-2012, 03:24 AM

Originally Posted by cherryking

You had blood work-done? Did you see any gains with on it lol

Yes , I´m a bloodwork whore, every 1-2 months.
Not sure about gains. Hard to measure gains when I am so inconsistent in training and diet, impossible to measure what works or not.
When I´m in the zone, I do everything right, so how much is the HGH helping? The AAS?, BCAA, ZMA, Shakes? I dunno.
I have a psychotic all or nothing personality.

AD · 04-18-2012, 04:58 AM

Originally Posted by Flier

I took Toremifene for 3 months.
After 1 month my Test had doubled, after 2 months it started tapering off.
I noticed the extra test on my libido and strength.
My Estro elevated also, but within comfortable limits.

sounds like doing a one-month low dose cycle.

which probably means not much gains, directly from this alone.

so to op.. not a new idea, not a great idea.

**Simon1972** · 04-18-2012, 06:42 AM

Originally Posted by DanB

It's been covered many times, most recent was a couple days ago. Go back a couple pages or use the search function and you will have your answers

thanks i think i found that thread you were talking about, but its in relation to AI, which prevents the conversion of test to estrogen. i'm more interested in SERMS which have no effect on estrogen production, simply blocks the effect of estrogen such as nolvadex and clomid.

now i realise it isnt as anabolic as a full on test/steroid cycle but for the guys who just want to get a moderate boost in test levels -is it a safer option??

i know we cant post links to other forums so this is copied and describes best what im asking.

"I've seen people's test levels as high as 1200 ng/dl after taking Novadex. The average male's test level is 250-750. Even HIGH average tops out at about 1000. Novadex is VERY effective.

Novadex is 1,4,6-Androstatriene-3,17-dione (3,17-keto-etiochol-triene). It is often abbreviated ADT. ADT is an anti-aromatase. Testosterone aromatizes into estrogen in males. There is a level of testosterone to estrogen the body likes to keep (which is why feds often test for test-epitest or similar ratios instead of just test levels. Of course, people caught on to this and took something to raise those levels ALONG WITH test levels).

By blocking the conversion to estrogen, the body senses a lack of estrogen. To increase the estrogen, the body will make more testosterone to be converted to estrogen...which doesn't happen very efficiently with ADT. The effect is higher levels of testosterone . 1200 is actually as high as some low dose anabolic steroid drugs will create.

Ok, so the gains would be minimal compared to shooting 2g of test pw. But doesnt the above suggest that you could be effectively be taking Nolva over a period of time and cruising along at super high natural test level/v.low dose aas level all the time?

You'd have no peaks or troughs, what do you guys think?