First Cycle Why use test?

[ali_baba]

I am looking to to my first cycle and after almost a year of research, I am baffled as to why everyone of forums suggests test as a first cycle, especially the long esters. Why would someone new to steroids use AAS that are highly aromatizing and have a high conversion rate to DHT like test, and to add why would someone use the longer esters. Wouldn't you want to use a shorter ester so that you can stop use as soon as harsh side effects show up.

[dlex]

you use test because its like the foundation of a house you build upon it (other compounds being ur blocks) test is great man i swear by test e love it
and because orals gains dont stick without test
long esters are run for 12 weeks usually with the shorter 10 again typically + you use pct to start back up your natty test
if you want to stop harsh sides you use an ai
hope this helps dude

[dlex]

you use test because its like the foundation of a house you build upon it (other compounds being ur blocks) test is great man i swear by test e love it
and because orals gains dont stick without test
long esters are run for 12 weeks usually with the shorter 10 again typically + you use pct to start back up your natty test
if you want to stop harsh sides you use an ai
hope this helps dude
but your 21 wait another 4 years bro your still too young to juice your bodys hpta is still developing

[ali_baba]

I understand that test is a great AAS but for someone under 200lbs and no AAS use it seems a little harsh. I feel as though, low dose 4 week Deca or maybe primo/var cycles would work well to add about 7-8lbs that you could keep after cycle. The low dose would ensure minimal side effects as well as virtually zero shut down.

[gixxerboy1]

well thats your proposal after a year of research a 4 week deca cycle?
You dont want to use test e because of the long ester but you dont realize deca has a longer ester. It wont kick in 4 weeks. Its a 19 nor so the sides can be harsher, Ever hear of deca dick?

[dlex]

sorry dude not how it works once an exogenous hormone enters the body the natural production stops its on whats called a negative feed back loop also you need to take in to account the kick in times and the fact deca alone will leave u wit a limp noodle and your dreaming if you think youll keep 100% gains after cycle
you do understand decca is testosterone which has had its carbon molecules altered at i cant remember but i think 19th position someone correct me if im wrong decca is for more experience users bro
and low doses dont always insure little sides i did 500+ mg of test e every week for 12 weeks and 50mg dbol everyday for 30 days and had no sides its how your body reacts to the compound not the dosages
do you know what pct is?

[dlex]

damn gixxerboy you bet me to it as i was typing it hahaha

[ali_baba]

I understand that deca is a long ester but each DOSE reaches peak blood levels in 8 days, also it aromatizes to 19-DHT/Estrogens, which are much weaker than their counterparts. Deca ran at say 200mgs won't cause signficant shutdown either, at least not enough to require HCG or Clomid (as would a 12 week test cycle).

[gixxerboy1]

you run deca at 200 and tell me after a few weeks that your not shut down and you d!ck still works

[bob87]

Deca will shut you Down after 1 shot you need to read a lot more if you think a deca only cycle is a good idea.

I'm almost at 4 weeks on 600mg a week and I haven't seen anything yet you generally need 4-6 weeks to start seeing gains

[dlex]

dude speaking as someone who studies both anatomy and chemistry at 3rd level you know shag all like gixxer said go do it then come back asking us how to reverse it and how youll ever be able to get hard again if thats what you want do it all exogenous hormones shut you down
takes 4 weeks to kick in regardless of how you try to say it doesnt it does
no such thing as minor or major shut down is shut down be it partially or completely its still shut down

[gixxerboy1]

I'm glad people do research. But just because you read something on 1 website and think you understand something maybe dont debate and argue with people who have been doing it for years. I mean ask questions thats great

[dlex]

I'm glad people do research. But just because you read something on 1 website and think you understand something maybe dont debate and argue with people who have been doing it for years. I mean ask questions thats great

couldnt agree more ive no experience with decca but will be using eq soon i have used test know what its like to be shut down and how important pct is listen to advice people give you

[ali_baba]

Yea sorry if i came off as arrogant. My research is based on scientific literature, forums and books, and most of the scientific literature and books conflict with the anecdotal evidence found in forums. I'm just trying to reconcile the differences

[dlex]

dude first hand experience trumps most scientifc tests on steroids as there are few test done on people who are healthy as its considered unethical and this is from a scientist

[gixxerboy1]

i dont know what scientific literature you read thats says deca wont shut you down at 200mg

[dlex]

i dont know what scientific literature you read thats says deca wont shut you down at 200mg

id love to see it too link it to us

[ali_baba]

I read it in a book called chemical muscle enhan***ent by l.rea

[Bonaparte]

I read it in a book called chemical muscle enhan***ent by l.rea

That is an old book with many of the claims based on ****-all.
More recent studies have shown nandrolone to be 100% suppressive from the first shot.

[ali_baba]

aright well then I guess I'm going with 12 weeks of test e with a dbol frontload. And .25-.5mg of anastroloze, and clomid for 4 weeks.

[dlex]

again 21 your too young to juice

[znak]

Dude, the fact that you were even thinking of running 200 mg of deca alone is a HUGE RED FLAG. If you are 21 and are cycling, I am completely confused.

At twenty one the best cycle is working out until you are close to puking 3-4 times a week and reading the diet forum.

If you do this, you will get massive gains. If you half ass a cycle WITHOUT having workout and diet in place, you are simply kidding yourself and looking for a magic pill.

The first pill you selected would have made you limp for months.

Trust me, Seriously, get your work out together, then dial in your diet and come back in a year.

[BenHadasack]

Test isn't really "harsh" I'm not sure where you got that from. Depends on what you are comparing to I guess but test makes you feel great, no too crazy of a side effect profile, and gives decent gains.

Most people suggest including test in all cycles because AAS will shut down your natural test production and having no test in your body is no bueno.

Long esters are suggested because then you don't have to pin as often (2 times a week or so vs EOD or ED). You could use a shorter ester for your first cycle but you might find all that pinning unpleasant.

[songdog]

Yea sorry if i came off as arrogant. My research is based on scientific literature, forums and books, and most of the scientific literature and books conflict with the anecdotal evidence found in forums. I'm just trying to reconcile the differences

Oh that explains everything try listening to the guys who used it.not the ones who just wrote about it.I will guarantee you wont have half the problems that you are going to have doing it your way.