Why does EQ get such a bad rap on this board?

[BenHadasack]

Before anyone jumps in to flame me if whatever I just want to say I'm not trying to start an argument here just asking a legit question and would appreciate legit responses. I haven't even used AAS yet since I'm only 23 and have been advised to wait until 25 to start the sauce. In the meantime I'm building a base -- lifting heavy, getting my diet as good as possible, and learning as much as I can.

I read a lot of different boards and this seems to be the only one where people consistently HATE EQ. I mean I've heard it's a weak compound, there's better options, it raises RBC too much, etc., but only on this board do people claim it's USELESS.

I think it's quite clear that EQ does SOMETHING. Whether or not it's the best choice for your goals or not is a different story. I've heard people mention it's usefulness for increasing cardio capacity (say for endurance athletes). Other people would rather use test + EQ vs high dose test because they get side effects above a certain dosage of test. Some people like the cosmetic look EQ gives (all veiny, etc). Some people like that EQ increases appetite. I've heard people here act like that's a bullshit reason and I'll admit it's a weak one but when you're on a shitload of other compounds that may kill your appetite I can see how you might want that.

Point being it strikes me as close-minded when people on here immediately say "EQ is garbage" carte Blanche with little to no explanation. I have used the search function and I have read some of your reasons but to say a compound is useless in all cases just doesn't make sense to me. As I mentioned however I'm very new to this and just trying to learn so if I'm off base here please let me know.

[wormzy]

Everyones body is different so naturally have different results to different AAS so what may be shit to others could be good for you. I appreciate you wanna know as much as possible about all types as I did. I have used EQ before myself but obviously used it as part of a stack so couldn't tell you if I benefitted from it or not.

I have a lot of friends that competition & some of them swear by it but only as a hardner, not so much a gainer. In comps they thrive on being ripped & as lean as you can get with next to no bodyfat, but with this comes lack of strength, they look good but can't lift shit!

I guess what I'm trying to say is if you wanna train for comps then give it a go but if you seriously want to gain in size get it out of your head.

In case you were wondering who the hell I am & what would I know, I'm 33 6'1 weigh 250lbs with 14%bf & have been training using AAS for around 4-5 years, so have some knowledge.

Good luck!

[gixxerboy1]

how ia it close minded for me to hate it when i have tried it multiple times at different doses and still think it sucks?

[BenHadasack]

how ia it close minded for me to hate it when i have tried it multiple times at different doses and still think it sucks?

It's close minded to say a compound sucks point blank just because it didn't give YOU the results YOU wanted. There's a difference between saying "I've tried it multiple times at different doses and never got the results I was looking for" and saying "EQ is garbage."

Sharing your experience is one thing, discounting the experiences of others is another. Many times I've seen someone post that they used EQ and liked it and someone will be quick to respond and say "those results were from the other compounds you were running not EQ." That MAY be the case but stating it as FACT is close minded and IMO a bit arrogant because there is no way for you to possibly KNOW that to be the case.

[blksavage]

gixxer boy is that your chick

[The Bear 79]

gixxer boy is that your chick

No. That's gixxerboy..............

[The Bear 79]

This is gixxerboy's "chick"".......... He likes the blondes.........

[spywizard]

No. That's gixxerboy..............

he's having gyno problems,. but seems to be getting it under control..

[Honkey_Kong]

No. That's gixxerboy..............

That's what happens when you don't run an AI.

[gixxerboy1]

It's close minded to say a compound sucks point blank just because it didn't give YOU the results YOU wanted. There's a difference between saying "I've tried it multiple times at different doses and never got the results I was looking for" and saying "EQ is garbage."

Sharing your experience is one thing, discounting the experiences of others is another. Many times I've seen someone post that they used EQ and liked it and someone will be quick to respond and say "those results were from the other compounds you were running not EQ." That MAY be the case but stating it as FACT is close minded and IMO a bit arrogant because there is no way for you to possibly KNOW that to be the case.

Ok what is you pay XXX amount for eq and get no more results from the same cycle with out it. So if 1 person gets good results out 20 that run it. Then its good?

gixxer boy is that your chick

yea thats my wife

[BenHadasack]

Ok what is you pay XXX amount for eq and get no more results from the same cycle with out it. So if 1 person gets good results out 20 that run it. Then its good?


yea thats my wife

I'm not trying to be argumentative but are you actually making the claim that only 1 in 20 people gets results significantly different than placebo with EQ regardless of dose? You seen like a smart enough guy that I'm going to assume you're not, since there is no way for you to possibly know that. Instead I would guess you are speculating based on your own experience and what you've seen others experience. That's all fine and dandy, but to state it as FACT seems a bit ridiculous don't you think? Again, I'm not saying EQ is good, I'm just saying no one here has enough information to state as a matter of fact that it is useless.

That being said, as long as we're speculating, I would speculate that the people who claim they got the EXACT SAME results running Test + EQ vs test only probably either have bunk EQ or are simply mistaken. EQ does have an effect. At the very least it will raise your RBC. You might not be able to see this but it is still a result. If you are slamming 600mg+/wk of EQ and literally NOTHING happens, well I'm gonna speculate that oil you're injecting isn't EQ.

[gixxerboy1]

. At the very least it will raise your RBC. You might not be able to see this but it is still a result. If you are slamming 600mg+/wk of EQ and literally NOTHING happens, well I'm gonna speculate that oil you're injecting isn't EQ.

Pretty much all steroids will raise rbc. and eq can raise them to a dangerous level. So woudltn that be more of a side effect then a benefit.

And everything you say is speculation since you havent tried anything.

If you drink enough mouth wash you can get drunk. That doesnt make it effective way of getting drunk. Just like eq isnt an effective steroid

[Brohim]

That being said, as long as we're speculating, I would speculate that the people who claim they got the EXACT SAME results running Test + EQ vs test only probably either have bunk EQ or are simply mistaken. EQ does have an effect. At the very least it will raise your RBC. You might not be able to see this but it is still a result. If you are slamming 600mg+/wk of EQ and literally NOTHING happens, well I'm gonna speculate that oil you're injecting isn't EQ.

Bro your 23 and never done a cycle. So you basiclaly don't have ANY ACTUAL EXPERIENCE WITH EQ. How in the hell can you tell that you have higher RBC? LOL Test raises RBC you don't need EQ. It also gives some people anxiety.

Bottom line is when your old enough try it out for yourself.

[Philly82]

EQ + VAR + TEST got results before but can't really say how much came from which compound.

[< <Samson> >]

It is his chick, so his words are golden

I take his words as factual info, just like some of the other old schoolers on here.

[The Bear 79]

I've run Test. alone & I've run Test. with Eq. & got the EXACT same results I got on the Test. only cycle. Eq. is worthless, it literally does nothing.

[minitourwvu]

Ok what is you pay XXX amount for eq and get no more results from the same cycle with out it. So if 1 person gets good results out 20 that run it. Then its good?

yea thats my wife

I tried it and loved it!!!...just thought i would share my opinion, i ran test, eq, and last 4 weeks winny and i got crazy results i ran my cycle for 14 weeks with eq @700mg/week.

[ROXXXTAR]

Love EQ

[gixxerboy1]

Well there is no Fact when it comes to the human body and adding chemicals to it. Thats why some people get side effects , some dont. Nothing is 100%. But we are taking steroids for results. So if only a very small percentage see results. And it has t obe run at a high dose for a long period of time to see a minor difference. The return verses money spent, amount of oil needed to be injected and length of cycle is nill. There are better options. So yes its garbage

[BenHadasack]

Well there is no Fact when it comes to the human body and adding chemicals to it. Thats why some people get side effects , some dont. Nothing is 100%. But we are taking steroids for results. So if only a very small percentage see results. And it has t obe run at a high dose for a long period of time to see a minor difference. The return verses money spent, amount of oil needed to be injected and length of cycle is nill. There are better options. So yes its garbage

Actually there are SOME facts. For example, injecting supraphysiological levels of testosterone will cause most people's natural testosterone production to shut down. That is a fact. There may be some exceptions, which is why I used the word "most", but I think we can feel fairly comfortable saying that is a fact.

Of course "we" take steroids for results, but what those desired results are vary from person to person. You might want to get big and huge, somebody else might just want to have better cardio capacity. The compounds you use to achieve those goals could be vastly different. What's garbage to you might be useful to someone else. For example, most female models probably don't like Test that much. They might prefer var. Does that mean test is garbage and var is great? Of course not.

I'm not sure how you can make the statement with regards to returns for money spent, length of cycle, etc. It depends on the person. Compared to a lot of compounds, EQ is pretty damn cheap. For people that blast and cruise or otherwise don't "cycle", length of cycle is not really a major concern. Maybe it's worth it to them?

Pretty much all steroids will raise rbc. and eq can raise them to a dangerous level. So woudltn that be more of a side effect then a benefit.

Read what I wrote. I didn't say it was a benefit. I said it was a "result". Someone else said that Test + EQ was THE SAME as Test alone and that EQ does "literally nothing". My point was simply that if it does _literally_ nothing, then it's not EQ, plain and simple. It might not do much, but real EQ has a physiological effect of some sort on almost everyone.

And everything you say is speculation since you havent tried anything.

Well first of all I said I was speculating so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Second of all that statement makes no sense. I don't think speculate means what you think it means.

spec·u·late/ˈspekyəˌlāt/
Verb:
Form a theory or conjecture about a subject without firm evidence.

You can have firm evidence without personal experience. Likewise anecdotal/personal evidence does not always equal firm evidence.

If you drink enough mouth wash you can get drunk. That doesnt make it effective way of getting drunk. Just like eq isnt an effective steroid

"Effective", "good", etc are all subjective. I'm not claiming one way or another. To use your metaphor, you are admitting that drinking enough mouth wash HAS AN EFFECT, right? There may be better ways to get drunk, but mouth wash will do the job. You're not trying to say that you can sit there and slam multiple bottles of mouthwash all day and have the same results as drinking water are you? That's what it sounds like some people are trying to say about EQ. All I'm saying is if you think that's the case, you probably got some non-alcoholic mouthwash.

[The Bear 79]

Read what I wrote. I didn't say it was a benefit. I said it was a "result". Someone else said that Test + EQ was THE SAME as Test alone and that EQ does "literally nothing". My point was simply that if it does _literally_ nothing, then it's not EQ, plain and simple. It might not do much, but real EQ has a physiological effect of some sort on almost everyone.

You apparently pride yourself on being pretty smart, so I shouldn't have to tell you, "you know what I meant" when I said what I said smart guy. And just to discredit your whole "bunk gear" theory, I will have it be known that the Eq. came from the same exact source as the Test., & this source is a very reputable one that MANY have used around the world, I didn't get bunk Eq. but legit Test. from the same source in the same order......................Eq. does nothing in the way building muscle, it is worthless.

[Philly82]

In my very limited experience with EQ the only noticable difference has been in stamina. Perhaps this is why horses like it. LOl

[gixxerboy1]

your right. Eq is actually the greatest steroid invented. Myself and all the other vets just slam it so no one else will use it. Its our dirty little secret. thats all the vets here do. EQ only cycles but we didnt want anyone else to know.

Then run it eq. What do you want. Pretty much anyone who knows anything and has tried it says it sucks and its not worth it. But i know you read something online so go for it buddy.

i'm not going to get into semantics of every word. i said it does nothing but it raises rbc so that's something.
It can give swelling at injection to and lighten your wallet.

[BenHadasack]

your right. Eq is actually the greatest steroid invented. Myself and all the other vets just slam it so no one else will use it. Its our dirty little secret. thats all the vets here do. EQ only cycles but we didnt want anyone else to know.

Is there really a need to act like this? I kind of expected a vet of this board to be a little more mature. Someone comes here asking a legitimate question and instead of having a real discussion with them you just get mad and flame them? I know this is the internet and all, but can we try to keep it civil?

Then run it eq. What do you want. Pretty much anyone who knows anything and has tried it says it sucks and its not worth it. But i know you read something online so go for it buddy.

I'm not planning on running EQ any time soon. I don't even use AAS and I don't plan to for quite some time. Based on the advice of people on here and elsewhere I'm focusing on lifting and diet for now and in the meantime trying to learn as much as I can. That's why I asked the question in the first place, to learn. I'm not trying to prove a point or win an argument or anything like that.

There are people who are knowledgeable and have tried it and liked it. I can point you to some examples from other boards if you need me to or you can just look at the responses in this thread. Some like it some don't. Or are you going to claim that everyone who's experience differs from yours must be wrong or lying?

[The Bear 79]

Is there really a need to act like this? I kind of expected a vet of this board to be a little more mature. Someone comes here asking a legitimate question and instead of having a real discussion with them you just get mad and flame them? I know this is the internet and all, but can we try to keep it civil?

Point out where he flamed you or was uncivilized.................

[gixxerboy1]

Is there really a need to act like this? I kind of expected a vet of this board to be a little more mature. Someone comes here asking a legitimate question and instead of having a real discussion with them you just get mad and flame them? I know this is the internet and all, but can we try to keep it civil?

Because you didnt have a question. You wanted a debate. You asked why it gets a bad rap. People stated why, They you chose to argue the points. Stating that if ours didnt work then it must have been bunk. So yes you already had your mind made up on the question and wanted an argument about it.

[gixxerboy1]

Because you didnt have a question. You wanted a debate. You asked why it gets a bad rap. People stated why, They you chose to argue the points. Stating that if ours didnt work then it must have been bunk. So yes you already had your mind made up on the question and wanted an argument about it.

I was a wise ass but about eq in general, not towards anyone.

EQ really caps your shoulders. I heard that from a well respected source

[BenHadasack]

EQ really caps your shoulders. I heard that from a well respected source

Wait...so you're telling me this is NOT true? b...b...b...b...but gh15 says...

[redz]

It was way too mild with the only notable effect being that it made me hungry at all times. I don`t have a problem eating alot so it was 100% totally useless to me.

[D7M]

You might not agree with him, but you can't deny the logic of BenHadasack's argument.

I give you an A.

[Sgt. Hartman]

You obviously had your mind made up about EQ before you started this thread and just wanted to start a petty argument. If you think it's worth running then run it.

But before you assume to know anything about any steroid you should probably have at least run a cycle first.

If you read on the internet what it's like and how to drive a F1 car, but have never driven one, then you're still ignorant, regardless how much you've read.

[BenHadasack]

This is honestly getting a bit ridiculous. I'm not trying to argue with anyone. I asked a question and got DIFFERENT responses. Some people liked it, some people didn't. Those who liked it simply stated that they liked it so I took that at face value. They didn't say "EQ IS AWESOME" they just said I tried it and I liked it. Simple. A few people said they tried it and didn't like it. I also took that at face value. Simple. Then a few people said not only did they try it and not like it, but that it was totally worthless as a compound. The only thing I've been responding to in this thread is the second part of that, because I don't understand how you can make that statement based on limited personal experience.

You obviously had your mind made up about EQ before you started this thread and just wanted to start a petty argument. If you think it's worth running then run it.

But before you assume to know anything about any steroid you should probably have at least run a cycle first.

If you read on the internet what it's like and how to drive a F1 car, but have never driven one, then you're still ignorant, regardless how much you've read.

Actually, if you want my honest opinion, based on what I've read here and elsewhere I think that for ME, it's probably not worth running. Honestly I plan on my first cycle being the standard 500mg/wk of Test and I'll reassess after that. So I can safely say that at least in the forseeable future I WON'T be running EQ. I'm just here to learn. I'm trying to assume as little as possible, which is why I made this thread. I thought the whole point of this site was to be educational? To help people not be ignorant? If so why is it a problem that I'm trying to become informed on a topic BEFORE injecting chemicals into my body?

You apparently pride yourself on being pretty smart, so I shouldn't have to tell you, "you know what I meant" when I said what I said smart guy. And just to discredit your whole "bunk gear" theory, I will have it be known that the Eq . came from the same exact source as the Test ., & this source is a very reputable one that MANY have used around the world, I didn't get bunk Eq . but legit Test . from the same source in the same order......................Eq . does nothing in the way building muscle, it is worthless.

I never said you got bunk EQ. I just said that if someone got EQ that did _literally_ (I even put underscores around it so you could see what I meant) nothing, then it was probably bunk. I hear what you're saying about your source, and I admit that I don't have a lot of experience about this so maybe I am just ignorant. But that did raise another question. Why couldn't you get real test and fake EQ in the same order from the same guy? I mean bunk test would be pretty easy to notice, but sounds like bunk EQ wouldn't be that obvious? There's no rule that says he has to get all his raws from the same place is there? He could be a totally trustworthy guy that just got some bunk raw EQ -- how would he know? Bunk test he'd probably catch hell pretty quick but bunk EQ might slide by unnoticed since in your own words it "does nothing in the way building muscle".

Because you didnt have a question. You wanted a debate. You asked why it gets a bad rap. People stated why, They you chose to argue the points. Stating that if ours didnt work then it must have been bunk. So yes you already had your mind made up on the question and wanted an argument about it.

No, actually I did ask a question. Read what I wrote above. The only points I questioned were the ones I didn't understand, because it didn't seem like they had any evidence. That's how people learn. Asking questions. Then asking more questions. Sorry if that comes off as being argumentative -- it's hard to communicate tone over the internet. That being said, maybe I was wrong about you attacking me when you were just being a "smartass". If so then my bad. It came across to me as a personal attack.

[guitario]

Playing devils advocate for a second. Why was EQ created? It was to serve some purpose with regards to the hormonal level of a mammal, a positive one at that I'm sure. Can anyone chime in on this?

[Bonaparte]

Playing devils advocate for a second. Why was EQ created? It was to serve some purpose with regards to the hormonal level of a mammal, a positive one at that I'm sure. Can anyone chime in on this?

It was an attempt at making a non-toxic injectable version of Dbol (since it is just methandrostenolone with an ester in place of a methyl group at c-17), but failed miserably.
It works well for horses, as it increases endurance and appetite. But the reason we knock it here is because it SUCKS at increasing muscle mass and strength, which is why most guys on here use AAS.
The only guys who like EQ are those who cannot afford/have not used Primo, which is a fantastic drug for aesthetics and performance. EQ is its retarded little cousin.

[BenHadasack]

It was an attempt at making a non-toxic injectable version of Dbol (since it is just methandrostenolone with an ester in place of a methyl group at c-17), but failed miserably.
It works well for horses, as it increases endurance and appetite. But the reason we knock it here is because it SUCKS at increasing muscle mass and strength, which is why most guys on here use AAS.
The only guys who like EQ are those who cannot afford/have not used Primo, which is a fantastic drug for aesthetics and performance. EQ is its retarded little cousin.

Makes sense. This is the kind of response I was looking for. You mentioned increased endurance from EQ -- how does Primo compare in that respect?

[Bonaparte]

Makes sense. This is the kind of response I was looking for. You mentioned increased endurance from EQ -- how does Primo compare in that respect?

It helps, but probably not as much as EQ. However, it also has very little effect on H&H, which is good...because strokes really suck.
Also, EQ didn't really make me feel any different. Primo improves mood. It also dries you out (because it is 5a-reduced and does not convert to estrogen), whereas EQ is basically estrogen neutral (it does aromatize, but not enough to cause a noticeable difference in a cycle).

[swm1972]

Playing devils advocate for a second. Why was EQ created? It was to serve some purpose with regards to the hormonal level of a mammal, a positive one at that I'm sure. Can anyone chime in on this?

Its a vet steroid for race horses. They are bred for endurance not size or strength.

[LolWuter]

I'm only concerned about blood thickness on EQ.

[guitario]

So it's basically injectable Dianabol that bypasses the liver and has the muscle building capabilities as test undecanoate? Thus needing a really high and unsafe dose to get comparable gains?

[Bonaparte]

So it's basically injectable Dianabol that bypasses the liver and has the muscle building capabilities as test undecanoate? Thus needing a really high and unsafe dose to get comparable gains?

No, it is a compound structurally similar to dianabol that acts nothing like it.
It has the muscle building capabilities of roughly 1/3 an equal dose of test (at average doses), with a few different side effects (increased H&H, and anxiety).

I'm not going to say that it is useless, but there are far better alternatives out there for nearly any goal.