Test prop dosing advice

[Thejudge]

I have 4 10 ml vials of 100mg test prop. Just looking for the best was to dose (amount and timing). This will b my second cycle. First cycle was 500mg of test e once per week. 6'0" and Currently at 195 lbs and 12% bf.

Everything else is set. Have hcg, aromasin, tamoxifen and clomid.

[gixxerboy1]

100mg eod

[Thejudge]

Ok. So that would be an 80 day cycle. (40 shots in 80 days). Sound good? How should it compare to my 500 mg test e cycle as far as gains

[JonnyConcrete]

An 80 day cycle is fine, but 10 weeks (70 days) is fine as well. Since its a short acting ester you don't have to wait until week 5 for your gains to really kick in.

[Thejudge]

So which would be better and why...a 9 week cycle at 125mg eod, OR an 11 week cycle at 100mg eod??

[gixxerboy1]

nobody says you have to use everything you have in this cycle.
The point of using prop is to run a shorter cycle. to be shut down a shorter time and get on pct faster.
I would just run 8 weeks

[< <Samson> >]

How are the gains between the 2 cycles, the test enan to the test prop?


Also, if your are doing 100mg EOD. Is that enough? I t only comes out to 400mg per week.

[Flier]

nobody says you have to use everything you have in this cycle.
The point of using prop is to run a shorter cycle. to be shut down a shorter time and get on pct faster.
I would just run 8 weeks

x2. 8 weeks.
Keep the last ail for a rainy day, whatever that means.
Or use what u need and toss the rest. Remember u gonna loose about .5-1ml from each vial in needle waste.....unless u do what I do, and reuse the syringe just changing the needle.......I know.
Also consider frontloading the Prop with 100mg ED for the first 3-4 days.

[JohnnyVegas]

How are the gains between the 2 cycles, the test enan to the test prop?


Also, if your are doing 100mg EOD. Is that enough? I t only comes out to 400mg per week.

350mg/wk, actually.

[Flier]

350mg/wk, actually.

Which is the same as 500mg Cyp

[< <Samson> >]

How would you compare the gains between a test enan only cycle to a test prop cycle?

[gixxerboy1]

they are both test, they should be the same

[JDBeretta]

Yup, but the prop'll hurt more. Love it...

[Flier]

Yup, but the prop'll hurt more. Love it...

Why is that?

[< <Samson> >]

Yup, but the prop'll hurt more. Love it...

But, it hits faster.

And you are not waiting for it to kick in for 3+ weeks.

Kind off subject, but you think test prop only is effective enough without a stack?

[Turkish Juicer]

How would you compare the gains between a test enan only cycle to a test prop cycle?

Diet, training regimen and recovery will be the major determinants regarding gains, not the type of test.

On a personal note, gains will be made faster with Prop. By the time Test E is just kicking in, Prop will be already showing gains, vasodilation, increase in strength and endurance etc.

Only if it wasn't for the PIP, I wouldn't even have bothered with long estered Test when I could just pin Prop.

[Turkish Juicer]

But, it hits faster.

And you are not waiting for it to kick in for 3+ weeks. More like 5 weeks.

Kind off subject, but you think test prop only is effective enough without a stack?Of course it is effective enough, like any other test. Why would you think otherwise?

....

[< <Samson> >]

Because stacks are the "thing".


All go to know though.


Kind of leaning towards prop for cycle #2.

[JonnyConcrete]

Personally I'm gonna do prop for my first cycle. Due to it being a test only cycle, I don't wanna be waitiung 5 weeks for the main kick in, with prop I believe it kicks in properly week 3? I've also heard that test prop with an AI will cause less bloating that test e or c, which is something I'd like to try out. Plus it will really wake up my virgin muscles lol!

[Turkish Juicer]

Because stacks are the "thing".


All go to know though.


Kind of leaning towards prop for cycle #2.

If you were to stack Prop with a Test derivative, you would get better results without a doubt. But then, this is valid for any other Test also.

I wouldn't stack anything with Test Prop for a 2nd cycle though. Run it alone and see how your body reacts to it.

100mg EOD should be plenty.

Make sure your diet, training and recovery are spot on.

[Turkish Juicer]

Personally I'm gonna do prop for my first cycle. Due to it being a test only cycle, I don't wanna be waitiung 5 weeks for the main kick in, with prop I believe it kicks in properly week 3? I've also heard that test prop with an AI will cause less bloating that test e or c, which is something I'd like to try out. Plus it will really wake up my virgin muscles lol!

I feel Test Prop in week 2.

This generally depends on the individual (something to do with blood plasma).

Whether short estered tests cause less bloating compared to long estered ones are debatable. Many users claim so from experience, although there is no hard science providing definitive proof for this that we know of.

Diet is the major determinant of how much bloating there may be. Daily sodium intake and carbs should be watched. Those two agents are mainly responsible for bloating.

Employment and a proper implementation of an AI will most certainly decrement bloating on any cycle. When you are running a low dose Test Prop only cycle, you should do an extensive research about both the type and dosing of the subjected AI since there is certainly the risk of crashing estrogen.

Having to deal with many ED or EOD injections and PIP are about the only downsides of running Test Prop cycles. Rose and its thorn...

[adamjames]

Im on week 3 of my first cycle and im running propionate alone for 8 weeks at 420 mg EW, i do 120 mg EOD, i just switched from ED to EOD.....ED pinning just got too much for me, ive noticed no difference in side effects since going to EOD

Gained a stone at week 3, im sure a few pounds is water im not running my AI till week 6, i felt the propionate kicking in on day 2, next cycle i will use prop again i dont mind EOD pinning and i like the fact that it clears your system so quickly and starts working almost immediately, i couldnt say what test gives less water retention there is tons of debate on it but i think it comes down to test is test and thats the bottom line

I dont have any PIP with propionate at all

[JonnyConcrete]

^^^ Yeah you are right with there not being any scientifical evidence behind the prop= less bloat debate. I'm going what from what people have told me, plus from experience if someone wants to do a cutting cycle they usually test prop over enth or cyp.

^^^Same dose that I'm gonna run, let me know how you get on!

[Thejudge]

I didn't really feel the test e kicking in till around week 5. So it sounds like an 8 week prop cycle might be equivalent to a 12 week test e cycle, right? Also, ways the real difference in being shut down for 8 weeks instead of 10 or 12 weeks if your pct is right? Any real difference? I've gotta think some great gains could be made with those extra few weeks.

[Turkish Juicer]

OP, if you are OK with EOD pinning, stick with an 8 week Test Prop cycle.

100mg EOD is a good dosing protocol for your second cycle.

Shorter your cycle is, greater is the chance and pace of recovery.

... and yes, similar gains can be made during a 8 week Test Prop cycle and 12 week Test E cycle assuming that weekly doses are the same.

[Thejudge]

Any thoughts on 23guage versus 22 gauge for prop?

[JonnyConcrete]

From my research I've gathered that 23 seems good to pin with, (18) to draw.

[adamjames]

Any thoughts on 23guage versus 22 gauge for prop?

i use 23 gauge 1 inch everywhere even glutes, 22 would probably hurt like a b.tch

[jasc]

23g is good.. 25g is even better

I used 23g my first couple cycles n use 25g now.. takes a little longer to push in, but that's a good thing.

My first cycle I started with 20g... those MF didn't feel good.. learned my lesson after the first week.

[JohnnyVegas]

My first cycle I started with 20g... those MF didn't feel good.. learned my lesson after the first week.

Holy crap. I cannot even imagine.

[jasc]

Holy crap. I cannot even imagine.

ya bro it was a nice rude introduction to the world of AAS..

My buddy who knew "everything" about cycling picked em up at the local tractor supply.. days later I placed my first order with ar-r.

Atleast after that, 23g felt like heaven

[NotConvincedYet]

x2. 8 weeks.
Remember u gonna loose about .5-1ml from each vial in needle waste.....unless u do what I do, and reuse the syringe just changing the needle....

Limit wastage by drawing a small amount of air in the syringe before drawing in the compound. That way when you push the plunger when injecting the last thing to pass through the needle is air, and you don't have a small amount of compound left in the needle...

[Flier]

Limit wastage by drawing a small amount of air in the syringe before drawing in the compound. That way when you push the plunger when injecting the last thing to pass through the needle is air, and you don't have a small amount of compound left in the needle...

Even better, but I´ve tried it, and the airbubble travels. But I´ll give it another try tomorrow.

[DGHGM]

Seriously? You guys fvcking advise drawing air into a syringe then injecting yourself with it all for the sake of .5 of a ml................. Just buy an extra bottle. Fvck it, even better, it's prop; buy a bladder. Then you won't give a shit how much you waste. I'm fvcking cringeing at the thought of some kid injecting air into himself because he saw it here though

[NotConvincedYet]

Seriously? You guys fvcking advise drawing air into a syringe then injecting yourself with it all for the sake of .5 of a ml................. Just buy an extra bottle. Fvck it, even better, it's prop; buy a bladder. Then you won't give a shit how much you waste. I'm fvcking cringeing at the thought of some kid injecting air into himself because he saw it here though

A small amount of air is fine and wont cause damage. Extensive research in to injection technique will eventually lead you to information on the effect of injecting air in to the muscle. A small amount is fine. An air embolism will occur if you put too much air in, but it's something like 2 or 3cc worth.

I did a full cycle this way. I knew I had used up all the gear in the needle and that it was all in my muscle when the syringe made a quick 'puff' sound.

You don't have to do it this way, but if you don't want wastage then it's worth considering. If not, then waste all the gear you want

Here's a thread on the topic: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...m#.T5ff5I7B1e8

[Keit81]

Little air won't do any harm intramuscular if it was Intravenous it would take about a liter of air to really hurt u

[Flier]

Seriously? You guys fvcking advise drawing air into a syringe then injecting yourself with it all for the sake of .5 of a ml................. Just buy an extra bottle. Fvck it, even better, it's prop; buy a bladder. Then you won't give a shit how much you waste. I'm fvcking cringeing at the thought of some kid injecting air into himself because he saw it here though

Thats a lot of "fvcking" just because you don´t agree.

[jasc]

Seriously? You guys fvcking advise drawing air into a syringe then injecting yourself with it all for the sake of .5 of a ml................. Just buy an extra bottle. Fvck it, even better, it's prop; buy a bladder. Then you won't give a shit how much you waste. I'm fvcking cringeing at the thought of some kid injecting air into himself because he saw it here though

You need to do some research before reacting like this

A small amt of air IM is completely harmless... You don't shoot AAS in to a vein

[JohnnyVegas]

Seriously? You guys fvcking advise drawing air into a syringe then injecting yourself with it all for the sake of .5 of a ml................. Just buy an extra bottle. Fvck it, even better, it's prop; buy a bladder. Then you won't give a shit how much you waste. I'm fvcking cringeing at the thought of some kid injecting air into himself because he saw it here though

You should read more.

[Thejudge]

What happened to my thread??!