A Lean Mass Cycle that I created. Thoughts?

[mike999]

Hello Everyone,

My last 2 cycles of (200mg Test/ 200mg Deca) and (200mg Test/200mg Tren/200mg Deca) both resulted in unpleasant water retention and fat gains. I did get bigger... but what's the point of getting big underneath a layer of water and fat? I don't want to do a bulking phase followed by a cutting one. I've been doing a lot of research... and have put together this cycle in an attempt to achieve moderate but solid gains, without many side effects. What do you all think?

Deca 250mg/week (Weeks 1-12)
TestE 100mg/week (Weeks 1-14)
Anavar 15mg/day (Weeks 1-12)
WhinnyPill 10mg/day (Weeks 4-14)

I also plan on taking 250IU of hCG every 4 days during the cycle, and nolvadex if I notice any gyn. side effects.

Post Cycle Therapy
hCG 2000IU every other day for 20 days
Clomid 30 days
Nolva 45 days


Please feel free to comment!

[DGHGM]

If you're running HCG on cycle you shouldn't need it with your PCT. And if you don't want to hold water get rid of the Deca, up your test to 500mg/week and run an AI from start to PCT. Anavar dose is pointless that low, min 20mg/day.

[DGHGM]

why run deca and anavar for 12 weeks and test for 14?

[stpete]

At 22 you are too young to be using AAS. What are the rest of your stats?

[mike999]

Thanks DGHGM. I'll change the anavar to 20mg. The reason I'm running test for 14 weeks is because deca stays in your system for 3 weeks, so I can't start PCT till 3 weeks after the last shot, and I don't want to not have test in my system.

[mike999]

At 22 you are too young to be using AAS. What are the rest of your stats?

Hey stpete. I'm 5'9 and 150lbs. My BF is at 5%.

[Dr Pepper]

Hey stpete. I'm 5'9 and 150lbs. My BF is at 5%.

To young, to light to use aas.

How long have you been training?

What's your diet like and what are your daily cals?

[DGHGM]

Thanks DGHGM. I'll change the anavar to 20mg. The reason I'm running test for 14 weeks is because deca stays in your system for 3 weeks, so I can't start PCT till 3 weeks after the last shot, and I don't want to not have test in my system.

The enanthate and decanoate esters half life's are quite similar. You would need to wait 18 days afte your last test shot before you start PCT. Do a bit more research and put the cycle on hold for a bit bra. Just read your stats, you wanna put some size on before you start with AAS irrespective of your age. It wouldn't matter if you were 30, with those stats you have room for improvement before you start using AAS.

If your body fat is genuinely that low you could bulk for some time before your bodyfat becomes unacceptable. Post your diet on here so it can be critiqued, it will be well worth it. When bulking I do fortnightly bioscans to keep an eye on BF% among other things. I won't bulk for a time as such but until I hit say 16%, then I'll cut. Each time I finish cutting my lean muscle mass is a little higher than last time. And this is natural too, this year will be my first course in years.

Get your diet on point, get your training on point, you'll gain 20lbs over the next 2 years and be in a far better place to start cycling and your knowledge base will be far better too. Right now it appears a little thin. I know you'll do what you want but this is advice garnered from years of experience bra, and there are guys on here with far more experience than me and you'll hear exactly the same from them.

[mike999]

The enanthate and decanoate esters half life's are quite similar. You would need to wait 18 days afte your last test shot before you start PCT. Do a bit more research and put the cycle on hold for a bit bra. Just read your stats, you wanna put some size on before you start with AAS irrespective of your age. It wouldn't matter if you were 30, with those stats you have room for improvement before you start using AAS.

If your body fat is genuinely that low you could bulk for some time before your bodyfat becomes unacceptable. Post your diet on here so it can be critiqued, it will be well worth it. When bulking I do fortnightly bioscans to keep an eye on BF% among other things. I won't bulk for a time as such but until I hit say 16%, then I'll cut. Each time I finish cutting my lean muscle mass is a little higher than last time. And this is natural too, this year will be my first course in years.

Get your diet on point, get your training on point, you'll gain 20lbs over the next 2 years and be in a far better place to start cycling and your knowledge base will be far better too. Right now it appears a little thin. I know you'll do what you want but this is advice garnered from years of experience bra, and there are guys on here with far more experience than me and you'll hear exactly the same from them.

The only problem is that whenever I do do that, my 8-pack starts to disappear, and I end up just ending the bulking phase. I have friends my age that have gone from an athletic build like mine to a muscular/ripped look in a couple of months, without the bloating. I just wish I can figure out how to do it myself. Why is it better to gain it in 2 years than in a few months? I realize that I can gain more by reaching my potential naturally, and then taking AAS... but I don't want to get THAT big. I just want an extra 10lbs.

[DGHGM]

The only problem is that whenever I do do that, my 8-pack starts to disappear, and I end up just ending the bulking phase. I have friends my age that have gone from an athletic build like mine to a muscular/ripped look in a couple of months, without the bloating. I just wish I can figure out how to do it myself. Why is it better to gain it in 2 years than in a few months? I realize that I can gain more by reaching my potential naturally, and then taking AAS... but I don't want to get THAT big. I just want an extra 10lbs.

Post your diet and training. 10lbs? Thats easy. You don't need to cycle for that. You need a good diet/training regime.

[DGHGM]

How long were your last cycles? You said you've done 2 cycles already and you're only 150? There's something seriously wrong there and it's probably your diet. 9/10 when someones losing all their gains between courses it's because their diet is fvcked.

[binsser]

yeah your diets ruined mate post it up!!

[Arad]

your problem is you keep running long esters which is why you get water retention. switch to short esters. prop instead of test e. npp instead of deca. also grab an AI. test dosages are way too low in my opinion. if you're running deca or nap you'll be shut down regardless so why not up the dosage to 500mg/week of test and 400 of deca or nap. also at least 50 mg anavar/week.

if i were you id run
prop: 75mg/day or 150 EOD - weeks 1 - 10
NPP: 400/week - weeks 1-9
Anavar: 60mg/day - weeks 4-10

[gonzo6183]

your problem is you keep running long esters which is why you get water retention. switch to short esters. prop instead of test e. npp instead of deca. also grab an AI. test dosages are way too low in my opinion. if you're running deca or nap you'll be shut down regardless so why not up the dosage to 500mg/week of test and 400 of deca or nap. also at least 50 mg anavar/week.

if i were you id run
prop: 75mg/day or 150 EOD - weeks 1 - 10
NPP: 400/week - weeks 1-9
Anavar: 60mg/day - weeks 4-10

DONT listen to this crap... At your age and weight you should not be running a cycle at all, I also highly doubt you are at 5% bf... The other guys are right, diet is your problem and if you only want 10 lbs that is simple to get, I trained a mate of mine how to eat and he put on approx 30lb naturally in 6 months, I gained around about the same over a year naturally while I spent all my time here in the diet forum I also managed to slightly reduce my bf while doing so. Steroids are not the answer for you mate

[DGHGM]

I'm still waiting to hear how someone can do 2 cycles and still be 150lbs. None of this adds up. I'm out.

[Baz]

[QUOTE=Dr Pepper;5988663]To young, to light to use aas.

22 is too young? -RIGHT, well count me in there also. Outline why please?

I do have respect for & would be glad to listen to what those that're senior to me have to say. Just shoot straight & simple, & we'll listen...!