Deca & Cabergoline

[Warrior1700]

I am currently on a dose of 250mg Cyp weekly, no cycle, mainly for HRT, at age 49. Been on this dose for years now. Reduced it from 300 about a year ago.

Also take Adex at 1 mg weekly just to keep things in check.

I have been diagnosed with arthritis in my neck and it's been hurting like a mo fo. Been thru the injections and meds. Next is a nerve burn.

Anyway, Q is...I was at my HRT Doc, and he said try Deca again, for my neck. @ 100 mg weekly (I stacked it with Cyp at 100 mg weekly a couple years ago for shoulder pain, and to help bulk up)

My concerns were that I already have some ED, I think more psychological cuz I can rub one off no problem, till I get with a chic and sometimes loose it, or if not loose it just can't bust one. Even with Cialis. And I don't wanna think that I am gonna get Deca Dick now if I start it.

So a guy mentioned to use Cabergoline (looks lke an injectable) while on Deca, or for that matter even while not on it, as from what I understand it helps inhibit Prolactin? Anyone know about this stuff and anyone have any experience with it.

Thanks for any info.



I was reading some info on it and it says..."not for human use"...here is the warning:




WARNING Cabergoline is a very potent chemical. This product is NOT for human use and can be harmful if ingested. This product is for research/laboratory use only. This product is NOT in a sterile solution and is NOT to be injected. This product should only be handled by licensed, qualified professionals. This product is not a drug, food, or cosmetic and should not be misbranded, misused or mislabeled as a drug, food or cosmetic.

[jimmyinkedup]

As far as the link it does need to be removed per the site rules.
As far as your question I would recommend looking into selegiline instead of caber. I ran a very similar cruise to what you will be doing with test and low dose deca and took selegiline at .5mg - 3x/week. I was very pleased. Plus for guys our age , in addition to lowering prolactin selegiline offers neuro protective benefits. Its pretty popular in anti aging circles as well.

[Warrior1700]

As far as the link it does need to be removed per the site rules.
As far as your question I would recommend looking into selegiline instead of caber. I ran a very similar cruise to what you will be doing with test and low dose deca and took selegiline at .5mg - 3x/week. I was very pleased. Plus for guys our age , in addition to lowering prolactin selegiline offers neuro protective benefits. Its pretty popular in anti aging circles as well.

Ok, thx.

Neuro protective benefits in regards to what exactly please? I will look at that also then , the selegiline...and we use this (either one) to reduce the prolactin because the Deca increases the prolactin?



Looks like I can get the selegiline at the same place But are you getting a pill form? As this looks like an inj. And what is with the "Not for human consumption"??

[jimmyinkedup]

Please edit your first post and remove the link.

Its not injectable - its liquid taken orally. Research chem companies skirt the law by providing prescription drugs and using the disclaimer you mentioned.

[Warrior1700]

Please edit your first post and remove the link.

Done



Its not injectable - its liquid taken orally. Research chem companies skirt the law by providing prescription drugs and using the disclaimer you mentioned.

Ah I see, albeit the reason it's available legally? Great thx.

[swm1972]

But don't let that trick you into believe you are completely safe ordering these substances under the banner of research. A research company based out of atlanta Georgia got popped a few years back (some of you might remember them) for selling tabs of research chemicals. About 10 months after the bust went down the criminal enfor***ent division of the DEA started making calls to previous clients (myself included) wanting to discuss purchases. I refused to cooperate until they sent something to my attorney stating I was not going to be charged with anything. They claimed a lot of people were harmed by the products and that is all they wanted to know about my purchases as well. But something to consider.

[Warrior1700]

But don't let that trick you into believe you are completely safe ordering these substances under the banner of research. A research company based out of atlanta Georgia got popped a few years back (some of you might remember them) for selling tabs of research chemicals. About 10 months after the bust went down the criminal enfor***ent division of the DEA started making calls to previous clients (myself included) wanting to discuss purchases. I refused to cooperate until they sent something to my attorney stating I was not going to be charged with anything. They claimed a lot of people were harmed by the products and that is all they wanted to know about my purchases as well. But something to consider.

Ohhhh...Ok thx

[bodybycookiesandcake]

i take caber year round from my dr. and i love it, i will stay on it till i die. my dr gives me 1mg a day, so the 30 pills last me half a year. i love ccaber more then when im on tren.

[Warrior1700]

i take caber year round from my dr. and i love it, i will stay on it till i die. my dr gives me 1mg a day, so the 30 pills last me half a year. i love ccaber more then when im on tren.

Can you please elaborate? You use any gear? Amounts, why do you take caber? Does he write you a script...or? Thank you.

[bodybycookiesandcake]

i run deca and tren, sometimes and run caber with it yes. but when im not on gear i run caber all year round cause its an amazing life extending drug. yes he writes me a script of 1mg tabs , 30 tabs at a time.

[Warrior1700]

bodybycookiesandcake Sent you a PM

[kelkel]

Take a look at this thread regarding Caber:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...e-Caber-Thread

Good info..

[Warrior1700]

Take a look at this thread regarding Caber:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...e-Caber-Thread

Good info..

Very helpful...Thx

[warren916]

Yeah cabergoline is very popular and is used all the time with cycles, and it does help many with sexual sides. Have you ever heard of Proviron? You should look into that, it may help with your sex drive and erections too.

[kelkel]

Here you go. I actually have a script for it but can't get it!



Proviron and sex hormone binding globulin
by William Llewellyn

Proviron, sex hormone binding globulin and Anabolic Steroids
Q: Does Proviron increase or reduce the anabolic effect of the steroids?

A: At one time it was a commonly held belief that Proviron was an anti-anabolic steroid – that it reduced the anabolic effect of other steroids. I believe Dan Duchaine’s Underground Steroid Handbook II was the first to porize this theory. In it, Dan comments that Proviron itself has little anabolic value. Noting that it is also binds the androgen receptor with high affinity, he further concluded that it must act as a blocking agent, incapable of imparting a strong anabolic effect, and at the same time preventing other (more anabolic) steroids from binding the receptor. The conclusion seemed logical, but it turned out that Dan was only partly correct. Proviron indeed has little anabolic value by itself. Studies that were uncovered much later, however, would give a different explanation as to why. As it turned out, the poor anabolic potency of Proviron was caused by the drug being very rapidly metabolized to inactive metabolites in skeletal muscle tissue, not issues with receptor activation or transcription. While Proviron could bind the androgen receptor very avidly and impart a normal anabolic message to the cell, in this area of the body very little drug will actually make it to the receptor to do so. So, alas, Proviron is not the anti-anabolic agent we once thought it to be (but it is still a weak anabolic).

This leaves us with the other side of your question. Does it increase the anabolic potency of other steroids? The answer is that it may to some extent, but it depends on the context. The main trait we are looking at here is the high binding affinity Proviron has for sex hormone binding globulin (sex hormone binding globulin). sex hormone binding globulin is a protein that binds to and temporarily prevents anabolic/androgenic steroids from activating their receptors. The higher the percentage of unbound steroid in the blood, the more active the steroid is going to be in the body. Given that Proviron binds to sex hormone binding globulin so strongly, perhaps more strongly that any commercial steroid known, it may displace other steroids that also like to bind this protein. With Proviron beating the other molecules to the seat, so to speak, it is forcing a greater percentage to remain in a free (active) state. This is, of course, essentially the same thing Duchaine first proposed, but with a different target site and outcome.

Testosterone is a good drug for stacking Proviron with in this regard, as it likes to bind sex hormone binding globulin . Many other synthetic steroids, however, bind with sex hormone binding globulin in much lower percentages. So depending on the other steroid(s) taken, the impact of Proviron will range from “noticeable” to “very slight if any at all

[Warrior1700]

@warren916 , No, I have not heard of it specifically, just in passing.

@kelkel , thanks, great post, not sure I understand it all....Lmao.

So why can't you get it? And should I try or stick with Caber?

Caber was suggested to me as a possible way to combat any Deca dick issues I might have adding 100 mg weekly to my Cyp. I already take Adex in very low dose for an anti E.

[kelkel]

Not sure why it's not available in the US anymore. A US company makes it. I'm sure it's available overseas I just haven't looked yet. Caber will obviously work as will Selegiline as Jimmy stated above. I already take low dose Seleg in a compounded cream with DHEA and Preg like several of us do in the TRT forum. Remember, control your E and you control your prolactin. B6 will help too.

[Warrior1700]

Not sure why it's not available in the US anymore. A US company makes it. I'm sure it's available overseas I just haven't looked yet. Caber will obviously work as will Selegiline as Jimmy stated above. I already take low dose Seleg in a compounded cream with DHEA and Preg like several of us do in the TRT forum. Remember, control your E and you control your prolactin. B6 will help too.

Sheesh..and this all cuz I asked about taking caber...Lol. This never ends...So when you say control my E and prolactin is in control, you talking E2 (Estradiol)? My last blood work my Estradiol was 22 out of a range of < or = yo 39 pg/mL using Adex @ 1 Mg weekly. Prior to Deca started yesterday.


My SHBG is 19 out of a range of 10-50 nmol/L

I have been tryin to keep it simple, but seems soon as I add something, I need something else to combat it ... Arrghhh

Is there an simple formula for us HRT/TRT gys at age 49? That wanna add Deca for joint/pain relief? And not loose his pecker?

I did just order Caber today and will try it for a month and then perhaps try the Seleg the following month? If Jimmy thinks Seleg is better for our age. Just didn't see a lot about Seleg as I did for Caber as far as info.

[Warrior1700]

bump

[jimmyinkedup]

Good read for you compliments of gdevine
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...so-L-Deprenyl&

[Warrior1700]

Thanks Jimmy, takin a look now...

[kelkel]

Sheesh..and this all cuz I asked about taking caber...Lol. This never ends...So when you say control my E and prolactin is in control, you talking E2 (Estradiol)? My last blood work my Estradiol was 22 out of a range of < or = yo 39 pg/mL using Adex @ 1 Mg weekly. Prior to Deca started yesterday. Yes. 22 is a good level but we are all different and it depends on how you feel


My SHBG is 19 out of a range of 10-50 nmol/L
Good level. Not binding much at all

I have been tryin to keep it simple, but seems soon as I add something, I need something else to combat it ... Arrghhh

Is there an simple formula for us HRT /TRT gys at age 49? That wanna add Deca for joint/pain relief? And not loose his pecker?
We are all different. You may not experience any bad sides at all. Caber or Selegiline won't hurt you to add them in

I did just order Caber today and will try it for a month and then perhaps try the Seleg the following month? If Jimmy thinks Seleg is better for our age. Just didn't see a lot about Seleg as I did for Caber as far as info
Twice a week should be all you need IMO

Answers in red

Just started some Caber myself. So far, so good. Will be upping my TRT cyp dosage and adding some deca myself mid month. Can't wait!

Keep us posted on how you make out!

[Warrior1700]

Just started some Caber myself. So far, so good. Will be upping my TRT cyp dosage and adding some deca myself mid month. Can't wait!

Keep us posted on how you make out!

Great thx Kel, some info I was looking for , good luck with urs and I'll update once I get started, thanks again.

@Kel , so ur on TRT and not cycling? Can you post ur doses here or PM me please? Thanks.

[kelkel]

Yes, TRT. I'll pm you.

[Warrior1700]

Just got my Caber today, liquid oral.

Now for TRT, Cyp @ 200 mg ew (lowered dose to 200 starting yesterday) not cycling, and 100mg Deca, (jsut added yesterday) how much of the caber should I take and how often and when? ( I do see that it's recommended at nite before bed to minimize the experience of sides (if any)

Does it matter when I take it according to when I pin the other stuff?...I pin on Tuesdays.

I have read .5 3x week, and read 2x week

And the thread link that kel posted looks like protocol for cycling and PCT.

Thanks

[bodybycookiesandcake]

caber 1mg a week, in two 0.5 doses is plenty and has life extension positive side effects.

[kelkel]

^^^Agree with above.

[Warrior1700]

Ok, got it thanks. 0.5 on my dropper read 0.5 ML. same as MG yes? As the same goes for my pins, they read ML, or CC but same as MG...(generally) I know MG is a weight and ML is a measure but I never understand how they are interchangeable.

[Warrior1700]

Bumping this thread, as I have another Q about Selegiline... I am about to order more product from the site I get the liquid form from...Sounds like I should get Selegiline now as I was using caber?

Also they have a liquid version of Tadalafil 25 mg/mL 30 mL WOnder if anyone has used this or anything similar, and is this an injection or oral like the Selegiline and Caber?

[Warrior1700]

Hello, anyone. Lil input please?

[Warrior1700]

Still wondering as I need to order.

[Warrior1700]

So I just received my order of the above products, I already used Caber the last few months and am gonna try the Selegiline as I read that this is better then Caber from a previous post on this thread. Input please?

Also, the Liquid Tadalafil (Cialis) is in a suspension of etOH/H2O, or ethyl alcohol and water. Ok, is it just me or am I thinkin that ingesting ethyl alc is not a good thing? Or is this in such a small amount that it is safe? Any input or experience with this?

[Far from massive]

Yes on the small amount ethyl alcohol, although it does bug the hell out of me that they do it at all.

Selegiline, I have not used sorry. Maybe PM Jimmyinkedup as he not be seeing the thread.

[Warrior1700]

Yes on the small amount ethyl alcohol, although it does bug the hell out of me that they do it at all.

Selegiline, I have not used sorry. Maybe PM Jimmyinkedup as he not be seeing the thread.

Ok, thanks Farfrom, I'll start trying the Tadalafil then. Have you used it and if so do/did you like it, I use the 5mg and 10mg pills now but wanted to try this?

I'll PM Jimmy, thanks, as he is the one who said to try Selegiline instead of Caber, I suppose I could just use it... Hehe.

Thanks for you input.

[Warrior1700]

Rather than starting a new thread I thought I would try this here as this is still a Deca thread. I just started up Deca again for awhile, I have in the past, added 100mg ew with my Cyp, 200-250mg ew.

I was talking with a friend (he's a Doc also) who used gear back in the day, when I mentioned that I was adding Deca, he said I should dose it in the following manner for 6 weeks...

I have a 200mg 10ml vial. He said 1st week add 200mg, then weeks 2,3,4,5 add 400mg and then week 6 finish with 200mg. Does this make sense, is this a bit of a cycle?

[Warrior1700]

Bump for any thoughts?