Deca question and issue..

**Steve.** · 04-26-2012, 08:59 PM

I cycled 10 weeks with Tren A and with Tren E then is bridging to Deca 300.. About 2-3 weeks after the bridge my bench got very week and made me extremely nervous .. Before my working sets was 250lb flat benching well like a light switch i was having a hard time with working with sets of 135lb what i used to do sets of 20 reps went to 4 reps. I am not experiencing any pain what so ever during the workout say for an injury at all i feel great before and after workouts .. I been keeping the same diet and everything all i did was switch to Deca 300...

Yes i know i am a noobie on here but this very ever so much made me very concerned.. I took a few days off from the gym and that really didn't do much i normally workout 5-6 nights a week religiously for the past just over 3 months... I was told the Deca wont give me the strength gains as Tren but i didn't know i would loose about 50% of it i wouldn't of went that route..

I didn't really gain or loose weight in them few weeks durring the bridge other then a couple pounds here and there but it was my benching strength got me extremely nervous...

**Steve.** · 04-26-2012, 10:27 PM

Anyone???

**gearbox** · 04-27-2012, 12:10 AM

What's your question?

**Steve.** · 04-27-2012, 12:17 AM

I was just very concerned with my strength loss while flat and incline bench.. I went down about almost 50%.. I put in detail with many things above..

**BBrian** · 04-27-2012, 08:39 AM

Have you not been taking any testosterone throughout any of this? If not, I can only presume that by now what you're experiencing is a total crash in your test levels, and would be a very likely candidate for the cause of your strength loss.

**Steve.** · 04-27-2012, 09:26 AM

I have been taking about 600mg of cypionate a week..

**gixxerboy1** · 04-27-2012, 09:31 AM

can you lay out your cycle more clearly. You say you cycled tren a with tren E, no your bridging with deca . But running cyp at 600mg. I dont think you understand a cycle or a bridge.

**Steve.** · 04-27-2012, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

can you lay out your cycle more clearly. You say you cycled tren a with tren E, no your bridging with deca. But running cyp at 600mg. I dont think you understand a cycle or a bridge.

This is why i am looking for more information with proper cycling due to i only been told by other user of about 6-10 years on how to roll everything together i know i havnt done it properly thats why i am looking for information with it all..

**gixxerboy1** · 04-27-2012, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by Steve.

This is why i am looking for more information with proper cycling due to i only been told by other user of about 6-10 years on how to roll everything together i know i havnt done it properly thats why i am looking for information with it all..

thats fine. But i cant give you advice if i cant figure out what you are using and have used. So lay the cycle out clearly. How you wrote it is confusing.

**Steve.** · 04-27-2012, 10:23 AM

weeks 1-5 tren a 300 600mg e/w cyp 300 600mg e/w
weeks 6-11 tren e 150 300mg e/w sust 300 600mg e/w
weeks 12-16 (present) deca 300 500mg e/w cyp 300 600mg e/w

My age is 31
Weight 223lb.

**gixxerboy1** · 04-27-2012, 10:34 AM

no ai?
horrible cycle bro. drop the deca , you wont be on it long enough to do anything, just like switching the tren e,
Your hormones are probably all over the place like a roller coaster.
I would stop the deca now, run the test for 2 more weeks and get a good pct.

**Capebuffalo** · 04-27-2012, 10:36 AM

You have been working out religiously for 3 months? How many cycles have you done in the past? How did you come up with that cycle? What does your pct look like?

**Steve.** · 04-27-2012, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

You have been working out religiously for 3 months? How many cycles have you done in the past? How did you come up with that cycle? What does your pct look like?

For the past 4 months i been working out 5-6 times a week 1-2 hours a day and this is my first cycle ever i was always over the counter GNC products for 6 years i fell off a year and a half and was only lightly working out and lost alot of mass and weight.. But this was all i was told to go with and yes after it all i now know how bad everything went you live and learn.. Thats why i am on here to try to fig out the proper way of everything..

**Steve.** · 04-27-2012, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

no ai?
horrible cycle bro. drop the deca , you wont be on it long enough to do anything, just like switching the tren e,
Your hormones are probably all over the place like a roller coaster.
I would stop the deca now, run the test for 2 more weeks and get a good pct.

I was planning on going for another 5 weeks on the deca starting in 2 weeks then go back on tren with the test but i am on here tring to get the proper way the way i was told by everyone around by me the way i was going was fine but now i know its not the right way..

**gixxerboy1** · 04-27-2012, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by Steve.

I was planning on going for another 5 weeks on the deca starting in 2 weeks then go back on tren with the test but i am on here tring to get the proper way the way i was told by everyone around by me the way i was going was fine but now i know its not the right way..

and i told you what you should do.
That is a horrible cycle for anyone. It makes no sense. It not using the drugs correctly. Your people around you are idiots. I could have picked random drugs and dosages out of a hat and came up with something better.
Thank yuor friends fro possibly screwing you up for a very long time with that as a first cycle. Great friends you have

**Steve.** · 04-27-2012, 11:21 AM

Sorry i am just tring to get the proper ways and trust me i am very up tight about the whole situation..

**Steve.** · 04-27-2012, 12:27 PM

I am just looking for advice ... How much test should I run for the next two weeks I believe you said I should?? And about when should I pct and how long till I get back in them and a proper dosage of everything? ? Please I am only looking for help with all of this.. Thank you for you advise you already gave me ...

**gixxerboy1** · 04-27-2012, 12:28 PM

i would run 500mgs of test the next 2 weeks. then start pct 18 days after last injection
do you have nolva and clomid?

**Steve.** · 04-27-2012, 12:37 PM

I have access to pct I was told it was a pin isn't the belly fat... I will find out later what it is exactly when I get ahold of him... He never told me what it exactly was and I didn't ask because wasnt going to plan anytime soon..The way how him and everyone else is just rolls into a different gear as in I told him my issues and he said to roll tren e in with the deca ... I am up tight about how it went due to I will prop loose my body mass durring all of this hopefully it wont be that much... And all the money I already did spend on all of this..

**gixxerboy1** · 04-27-2012, 12:47 PM

it sounds like hcg , that should have been used during your cycle not after.
You dont just keep rolling into another different steroid . Unless you are looking to permanently damaging your hpta.
It honestly sounds like your boy has know clue.
Deca takes about 6 weeks to kick in. yet your were running it for 5. Tren should never be used for a first cycle. 2 19 nor steroids in 1 cycle isnt a good idea. No ai. There is just so many things wrong. I wouldnt ask your friends anything else.

**Capebuffalo** · 04-27-2012, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

i would run 500mgs of test the next 2 weeks. then start pct 18 days after last injection
do you have nolva and clomid?

This this this f ing do this. You can get nolva and clomid from the banner above. Ar-r .

**Steve.** · 04-27-2012, 01:16 PM

And one more thing after i pct how long should i stay off until i go back on?? And in that time if i keep the same diet and workout programs how much am i going to loose in that time you think?? And as for the nolva and clomid whats the dosage and how much would i need??

**Steve.** · 04-27-2012, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

This this this f ing do this. You can get nolva and clomid from the banner above. Ar-r.

Thank you very much..

**gixxerboy1** · 04-27-2012, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by Steve.

And one more thing after i pct how long should i stay off until i go back on?? And in that time if i keep the same diet and workout programs how much am i going to loose in that time you think?? And as for the nolva and clomid whats the dosage and how much would i need??

nolva 40/40/20/20
clomid 100/100/50/50

can say how much you will keep, i dont know what you gained what you know. how you are going to recover from the crappy cycle you ran.
the general rule is time on cycle + pct = time off.

honestly i would take a long time off. You have no idea about any of the drugs you are taking or how they effect you. What to do for side effects. I would gain some knowledge before you take anything else

**Steve.** · 04-27-2012, 01:55 PM

I been learning alot on here i am just tring to gather everything together so i will know for the next run..

**kolaking** · 04-27-2012, 03:32 PM

It's a shame that guys are getting bogus advice from people that don't know what the hell they are doing. There is no reason people should be jumping in ruining their hpta with all the information on here. People have no patience and just think about blowing up. I would take a long time off after that trainwreck and get your info and your natty sys. straight. From your BW and the weight you said you are moving doen't sound like you were ready to start anyway.

**Steve.** · 04-27-2012, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by kolaking

It's a shame that guys are getting bogus advice from people that don't know what the hell they are doing. There is no reason people should be jumping in ruining their hpta with all the information on here. People have no patience and just think about blowing up. I would take a long time off after that trainwreck and get your info and your natty sys. straight. From your BW and the weight you said you are moving doen't sound like you were ready to start anyway.

And the best part if you think that cycle was a train wreck i know a few that are alot worst... Say they are using about 900mg of tren a and about 1000mg of test every week... Think about how they are..

And in the past before i started to slack off at the gym everything was fine i just couldn't put any body weight on what so ever and i was at 205lb but was only taking store bought pre and post workout shakes ..

**kolaking** · 04-27-2012, 07:32 PM

Just learn as much as you can about what to take on cycle and PCT and why. Your only 31 so your in no real hurry!

**BBrian** · 04-27-2012, 07:58 PM

Apparently your friends are just blasting and cruising at high doses endlessly. This is fine for people who wish to compete in bodybuilding and have no concerns about the fact that they are going to have a heart attack by 45, but I can't believe someone actually threw you on this cycle, unless you told them that you wanted to look like Jay Cutler and had no concerns about the health risks associated with this sort of steroid abuse . It's a very good thing that you came here and started asking questions when you did, because you were well on your way to permanently shutting down those organs in your body which produce testosterone for you.

And I hope, at least, that your muscular physique is looking really good right now.

**Steve.** · 04-27-2012, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by BBrian

Apparently your friends are just blasting and cruising at high doses endlessly. This is fine for people who wish to compete in bodybuilding and have no concerns about the fact that they are going to have a heart attack by 45, but I can't believe someone actually threw you on this cycle, unless you told them that you wanted to look like Jay Cutler and had no concerns about the health risks associated with this sort of steroid abuse . It's a very good thing that you came here and started asking questions when you did, because you were well on your way to permanently shutting down those organs in your body which produce testosterone for you.

And I hope, at least, that your muscular physique is looking really good right now.

Thank you very much i got alot of flame about all of this... But the one main thing is i have ZERO issues with any sexual organs from start to end.. But i am going to be ordering the nolva and clomid over the weekend and just finish my test off next week and two weeks after last pin i will start my pct.. But i went from 200lb to 223 lb (current)... But when i called EVERYONE that has been doing this for well over 5 years they where still at a loss of whats going on.. Thats why i joined here to get correct info on everything...

If any of that looks wrong please let me know ..

**Steve.** · 04-27-2012, 10:17 PM

And yes i am completely new to the dark side but not to working out.. About two years ago my working sets of decline bench was 475lb 5 sets of 5 on a smith and i was only 205lb and i am 6'2"... I actually have video of that somewhere in my old laptop.. So i think i can say i am not new to the whole working out part of this.. And that was only taking 3 supplements from gnc and alot of steak nothing else and all dosages was in the middle of the recomeded dosages..

**hankdiesel** · 04-27-2012, 11:12 PM

So many problems here but I'm surprised no one has questioned the tren yet. You say you have tren A that is dosed at 300mg? I've never heard of such a thing.

**Steve.** · 04-28-2012, 12:13 AM

Originally Posted by hankdiesel

So many problems here but I'm surprised no one has questioned the tren yet. You say you have tren A that is dosed at 300mg? I've never heard of such a thing.

At first i was running tren a 300 @ 300mg twice a week for 5 weeks.. I got crazy gains in power and size in a very short time thats when i hit 200lb and cut alot of body fat..

So after that i was cutting body fat and replacing it with some mass but not real gains after i stopped the tren a and switched to tren e 150 due to i couldn't get tren a anymore and they guy said it was fine to go to that..

**decaDump** · 04-28-2012, 03:23 AM

Originally Posted by Steve.

weeks 1-5 tren a 300 600mg e/w cyp 300 600mg e/w
weeks 6-11 tren e 150 300mg e/w sust 300 600mg e/w
weeks 12-16 (present) deca 300 500mg e/w cyp 300 600mg e/w

My age is 31
Weight 223lb.

This cycle sucks... It is also too long. Plus, you're taking too many harsh juice at once. What week are you on?

**Skyrinegt** · 04-28-2012, 03:46 AM

Also go get full blood work done after all is said and done and definitely before you decide to go back on. I can't even imagine what you did to yourself with all the changing shit around and different dosing and shit wow dude that's harsh

**Far from massive** · 04-28-2012, 07:53 AM

As gixxer said it would be a good idea to wait a good while before even considering another cycle as the one you are now doing is going to be very hard on your system. After you have taken your time off and are considering going back on as said above, get a male hormone panel done ( blood test ) to ensure that your hormones are back to normal.

PS if you don't have insurance or don't want to have it on your medical records simply google self directed lab tests and you will find several companies that will set up the labs for you for a few hundred dollars.