Acne - not worth cycling for!

[NotConvincedYet]

Question please...

I am looking at doing a second cycle. The only thing holding me back at this stage is PCT acne. I got it real bad on back and shoulders. I am wondering if a few small tweaks to a new cycle (see below) may help prevent the acne. If not, I probably don't think it's worth doing the juice again.

33
183cm (6ft)
15+ years training
190lbs
approx 10-12 BF%

First cycle was:
sust 250 2 x week for 10 weeks.
Usual PCT Clomid 100/50/50/50, Tamox 40/20/20/20

Next cycle:
Week 1-8: Prop 150mg EOD
Week 1-8: NPP 100mg EOD
Week 1-8: HCG 250 iu 2 x week (up until day before PCT)
Week 1-8: LDex .25/day (up until day before PCT)
3 days following last pin: Clomid 100/100/50/50, Tamox 40/40/20/20

So the changes I have made are the following:
Added AI for the entirety of the cycle
Used a short acting instead of long acting test (prop instead of sust)
Added HCG to the equation

Questions please:
1. Will the changes/Additions I've made (the AI and HCG) possibly help lessen acne?
2. Should I just stick with prop only - does it affect acne, or should I just stick with prop because I used sust last time and I need to see how I react to a different test?
3. Or is this a matter of treating the acne (accutane or proactive etc) and has nothing to do with the above?

It's bazaar that I have to cover up my physique now that I have added weight because I want to hide acne. If I have to go through this again, I don't think I'd cycle again. Frustrating when I see professional bodybuilders skin looking amazing. Baffling actually!

[sneakyhats]

Talk to your doctor for acne treatments? Its good to even mention that your juicing, a doctor is sworn to help you in every way possible. My doctor knows what I've done and used.
The doctor and find the best for you and give you the best rather than you having to spend a lot of $$ trying new acne treatments

[FONZY007]

Accutane?

[NotConvincedYet]

So you guys think it's a matter of treating the acne (i.e. with accutane or whatever else a doc may prescribe) rather than running an AI or having things out of whack by not using HCG?

Did arnie take accutane? haha I see that avatar of yours Fonzy, and he looks awesome. Great skin, no sign of acne.

[gearbox]

Get on accutane and you will be good. You should run an ai regardless.

[gearbox]

And you should react the same with prop as you did with sus. Prop is known for less water weight

[auswest]

From what I understand, keeping your hormone levels as stable as possible helps alot.
I feel the same as you, my last cycle gave me acne. And it just felt horrible. All I wanted to do was cover up when I was looking my best physically. I am 3 months out of pct and been on accutane for 4 weeks. Tried everything prior to that. It is now looking like I have won/ winning the battle, and should be ready to cycle again very soon. But only when I am 100% clear as I agree having acne is horrible and to me kinda not worth it.
Next cycle Ed injections and ai throughout. Last cycle was a bit over the show rarely used ai ect.

[warren916]

8 weeks?? Why put your body thru all that shit and spend all that money on ancilleries and pct for only 8 little weeks??

Anyway, dude if you cant handle a bit of acne then dont juice...not only that but ACNE IS VERY TEMPORARY, muscles last much longer...

Go to the tanning bed, that clears me up nicely..

[Bonaparte]

Talk to your doctor for acne treatments? Its good to even mention that your juicing, a doctor is sworn to help you in every way possible. My doctor knows what I've done and used.
The doctor and find the best for you and give you the best rather than you having to spend a lot of $$ trying new acne treatments

Complete and utter BS.
In the US (and other places without socialized medicine) this will end up in your medical records, which your insurance company will use as an excuse to deny you coverage (along with any other substances you mention).
And doctors are not sworn to "help you in every way possible".

[NotConvincedYet]

8 weeks?? Why put your body thru all that shit and spend all that money on ancilleries and pct for only 8 little weeks??

Anyway, dude if you cant handle a bit of acne then dont juice...not only that but ACNE IS VERY TEMPORARY, muscles last much longer...

Go to the tanning bed, that clears me up nicely..

Using prop, from what I've read on here, you only need 8 weeks as it's a short acting ester. Anyone feel free to put in their 2cents worth tho, I am all ears...

[NotConvincedYet]

From what I understand, keeping your hormone levels as stable as possible helps alot.
I feel the same as you, my last cycle gave me acne. And it just felt horrible. All I wanted to do was cover up when I was looking my best physically. I am 3 months out of pct and been on accutane for 4 weeks. Tried everything prior to that. It is now looking like I have won/ winning the battle, and should be ready to cycle again very soon. But only when I am 100% clear as I agree having acne is horrible and to me kinda not worth it.
Next cycle Ed injections and ai throughout. Last cycle was a bit over the show rarely used ai ect.

Cheers. I see you are in Oz also, did you find accutane hard to get a hold of?

[bodybycookiesandcake]

8 week cycles are solid. and you cheat the myostatin protein. i rather maximize gains vs. sides.

[ironbeck]

Accutane can have some severe symptoms, such as depression and suicidal thoughts......from what I read. don"t remeber the name of that wrestler who killed his whole family, but I heard he was on that as well as a slew of hormones.

[Bevsta123]

Accutane can have some severe symptoms, such as depression and suicidal thoughts......from what I read. don"t remeber the name of that wrestler who killed his whole family, but I heard he was on that as well as a slew of hormones.

chris benoit? he did like a double murder suicide? he was in the wwe?

[luda281]

Accutane can also lead to crohns disease and other issues with your bowel.

[FONZY007]

Complete and utter BS.
In the US (and other places without socialized medicine) this will end up in your medical records, which your insurance company will use as an excuse to deny you coverage (along with any other substances you mention).
And doctors are not sworn to "help you in every way possible".

I live in Cali, my primary doc, my endo and my dermo all know i took steroids and still received the help I need..

[FONZY007]

I have used accutane very recently and the only side effects I got was dry chapped lips..

I was using 40mg twice a day..

[gixxerboy1]

I live in Cali, my primary doc, my endo and my dermo all know i took steroids and still received the help I need..

and if you ever have to buy health insurance on your own, you will probably be denied. Or if you have a health issue they can say is related to your illegal drug use. They can denie the claim

[FONZY007]

and if you ever have to buy health insurance on your own, you will probably be denied. Or if you have a health issue they can say is related to your illegal drug use. They can denie the claim

I pay for my health insurance haven't used AAS in 5 years but again they all know and no claim had been denied, but again your right something large happens to me they might denie me,

[FONZY007]

On a second note before i did admit my gp accused me because I was in shape lol