Is Tren really powerful?

[sneakyhats]

Now a lot of people here have been posting cycle info about tren. But just a question, how powerful is tren. What kind of feeling do you get while your on it?
Is there a distinct sort of feeling like clen or no?

Does it hit your HPTA hard where at a point there is a painful feeling?

Just a curious question guys.

[Steve.]

Tren A is so far my favorite out of between tren E and just started using deca but as of now its Tren A is my personal pick.

[sneakyhats]

Tren A is so far my favorite out of between tren E and just started using deca but as of now its Tren A is my personal pick.

Us being guys, how did it feel on your HPTA before the test you kicked in? Thats if you did use test with it? which i hope you did?

[Steve.]

I started with Tren A 600mg ew and 600mg of cyponate ew for the first 5 weeks but then i couldn't get any more Tren A i had to go with Tren E 300mg ew with sustan 600mg ew for the following 5 weeks. And I had and have zero issues.. But I am also now running 500mg or deca ew for just about 4-5 weeks and still didn't have any issues..

[sneakyhats]

I started with Tren A 600mg ew and 600mg of cyponate ew for the first 5 weeks but then i couldn't get any more Tren A i had to go with Tren E 300mg ew with sustan 600mg ew for the following 5 weeks. And I had and have zero issues.. But I am also now running 500mg or deca ew for just about 4-5 weeks and still didn't have any issues..

so no problems with the balls at all? or erections? Did you use arimidex while cycling?

[binsser]

yes u use arimidex and hcg for balls 2x 250ius a week and tren is only powerfull if you use loads easerly controlable!

[binsser]

im doing test-p and tren -a now and its the best cycle by far it all i need to be honest !

test-p -300mg a week

tren-a -450mg a week

[Skyrinegt]

I have used tri tren twice the second time I ran my test twice as long as my tren and went heavy on pct and didn't do anything too libido maybe only a day or two of down time heh but tren makes you feel like you can pick up tons and throw it around and I looked freaking amazing on it, it really is an amazing thing

[Steve.]

No probs at all what so ever.. Where i get mine the bottles look very shaddy due to the contents have no labels and are made in a underground lab and everything is hand written on them.. They come from a very good source and is recommended by 90% to go to this place ( the other 10% i never talked to) and they say there test blends has extra in them but all i took is what was listed.. At first i may of had a slight hair thinking issue but now my hair line is farther forward then it ever has been.. My first run with the tren A and they cyp i was first about 195-200lb at 5 weeks i was a solid 220lb and cut ALOT of body fat..

[Bonaparte]

OP, I don't think you understand what the HPTA is...

[Steve.]

Not completely..

[sneakyhats]

No probs at all what so ever.. Where i get mine the bottles look very shaddy due to the contents have no labels and are made in a underground lab and everything is hand written on them.. They come from a very good source and is recommended by 90% to go to this place ( the other 10% i never talked to) and they say there test blends has extra in them but all i took is what was listed.. At first i may of had a slight hair thinking issue but now my hair line is farther forward then it ever has been.. My first run with the tren A and they cyp i was first about 195-200lb at 5 weeks i was a solid 220lb and cut ALOT of body fat..

easy to keep your gains after? It did you lose a bit.

@bonaparte, I do..
Just questioning, and wanted to try out tren in the near future

[Bonaparte]

easy to keep your gains after? It did you lose a bit.

@bonaparte, I do..
Just questioning, and wanted to try out tren in the near future

Then you should understand why it is silly to ask if Tren causes physical pain to the HPTA.
Now, testicular atrophy is another subject...

[JonnyConcrete]

Anabolically it scores 5 times higher than test. It won't quite make you 5 times bigger though

[bodybycookiesandcake]

i dont feel anything on test, but tren i feel euphoric, tren cough, looking like a walking water fall and night sweats and insomnia suck but all of that doesnt stand in teh way of truly feeling like a god.

[Steve.]

I had little pain if this is what you are asking but i didnt mind i just took a dose of man up just before and i had no issues..

[OnTheSauce]

I'm a lot more short tempered. Had no problems on just test.

[sneakyhats]

i dont feel anything on test, but tren i feel euphoric, tren cough, looking like a walking water fall and night sweats and insomnia suck but all of that doesnt stand in teh way of truly feeling like a god.

damn insomnia would suck, especially for anyone that would have to wake early and travelll for work.

[OnTheSauce]

damn insomnia would suck, especially for anyone that would have to wake early and travelll for work.

I haven't any insomnia issues thankfully.

[Far from massive]

My HPTA has been aching ever since reading this thread, though I have issues with some small details this wiki should help explain things to the OP.


The hypothalamic–pituitary–gonadal axis (also HPG axis) refers to the effects of the hypothalamus, pituitary gland, and gonads as if these individual endocrine glands were a single entity as a whole. Because these glands often behave in cooperation, physiologists and endocrinologists find it convenient and descriptive to speak of them as a single system.

The hypothalamic–pituitary–gonadal axis is a critical part in the development and regulation of a number of the body's systems, such as the reproductive and immune systems. Fluctuations in the hormones cause changes in the hormones produced by each gland and have various widespread and local effects on the body.

This axis controls development, reproduction, and aging in animals. The hypothalamus produces gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH). The anterior portion of the pituitary gland produces luteinizing hormone (LH) and follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH), and the gonads produce estrogen and testosterone.

In oviparous organisms (e.g. fish, reptiles, amphibians, birds), the HPG axis is commonly referred to as the hypothalamus-pituitary-gonadal-liver axis (HPGL-axis) in females. Many egg-yolk and chorionic proteins are synthesized heterologously in the liver, which are necessary for oocyte growth and development. Examples of such necessary liver proteins are vitellogenin and choriogenin.





Contents
[hide] 1 Location and regulation
2 Function 2.1 Reproduction
2.2 Life cycle
2.3 Sexual dimorphism and behavior

3 Clinical relevance 3.1 Gene mutations
3.2 Medications

4 Environment factors
5 Comparative anatomy
6 See also
7 References


[edit] Location and regulation

The hypothalamus is located in the brain and secretes GnRH.[1] GnRH travels down the anterior portion of the pituitary via the hypophyseal portal system and binds to receptors on the secretory cells of the adenohypophysis.[2] In response to GnRH stimulation these cells produce LH and FSH, which travel into the blood stream.[3]

These two hormones play an important role in communicating to the gonads. In females FSH and LH act primarily to activate the ovaries to produce estrogen and inhibin and to regulate the menstrual cycle and ovarian cycle. Estrogen forms a negative feedback loop by inhibiting the production of GnRH in the hypothalamus. Inhibin acts to inhibit activin, which is a peripherally produced hormone that positively stimulates GnRH producing cells. Follistatin which is also produced in all body tissue, inhibits activin and gives the rest of the body more control over the axis. In males LH stimulates the interstitial cells located in the testes to produce testosterone, and FSH plays a role in spermatogenesis. Only small amounts of estrogen are secreted in males. Recent research has shown a neurosteroid axis exists, which help the cortex to regulate the hypothalamus’s production of GnRH.[4]

[edit] Function

[edit] Reproduction

One of the most important functions of the HPG axis is to regulate reproduction by controlling the uterine and ovarian cycles.[5] In females, the positive feedback loop between estrogen and luteinizing hormone help to prepare the follicle in the ovary and the uterus for ovulation and implantation. When the egg is released, the ovary begins to produce progesterone to inhibit the hypothalamus and the anterior pituitary thus stopping the estrogen-LH positive feedback loop. If conception occurs, the fetus will take over the secretion of progesterone; therefore the mother cannot ovulate again. If conception does not occur, decreasing excretion of progesterone will allow the hypothalamus to restart secretion of GnRH. These hormone levels also control the uterine (menstrual) cycle causing the proliferation phase in preparation for ovulation, the secretory phase after ovulation, and menstruation when conception does not occur. The activation of the HPG axis in both males and females during puberty also causes individuals to acquire secondary sex characteristics.

In males, the production of GnRH, LH, and FSH are similar, but the effects of these hormones are different.[6] FSH stimulates sustentacular cells to release androgen-binding protein, which promotes testosterone binding. LH binds to the interstitial cells, causing them to secrete testosterone. Testosterone is required for normal spermatogenesis and inhibits the hypothalamus. Inhibin is produced by the spermatogenic cells, which also through inactivating activin inhibits the hypothalamus. After puberty these hormones levels remain relatively constant.

[edit] Life cycle

The activation and deactivation of the HPG axis also helps to regulate life cycles.[5] At birth FSH and LH levels are elevated, and females also have a lifetime supply of primary oocytes. These levels decrease and remain low through childhood. During puberty the HPG axis is activated by the secretions of estrogen from the ovaries or testosterone from the testes. This activation of estrogen and testosterone causes physiological and psychological changes. Once activated, the HPG axis continues to function in men for the rest of their life but becomes deregulated in women, leading to menopause. This deregulation is caused mainly by the lack of oocytes that normally produce estrogen to create the positive feedback loop. Over several years, the activity the HPG axis decreases and women are no longer fertile.[7]

Although males remain fertile until death, the activity of the HPG axis decreases. As males age, the testes begin to produce less testosterone, leading to a condition known as post-pubertal hypogonadism.[6] The cause of the decreased testosterone is unclear and a current topic of research. Post-pubertal hypogonadism results in progressive muscle mass decrease, increase in visceral fat mass, loss of libido, impotence, decreased attention, increased risk of fractures, and abnormal sperm production.

[edit] Sexual dimorphism and behavior

Sex steroids also affect behavior, because sex steroids affect our brain structure and functioning. During development, hormones help determine how neurons synapse and migrate to result in sexual dimorphisms.[8] These physical differences lead to differences in behavior. While GnRH has not been shown to have any direct influence on regulating brain structure and function, gonadotropins, sex steroids, and activin have been shown to have such effects. It is thought that FSH may have an important role in brain development and differentiation.

Testosterone levels have been shown to relate to aggression and sex drive. This helps create synaptogenesis by promoting neurite development and migration. Activin promotes neural plasticity throughout the lifespan and regulates the neurotransmitters of peripheral neurons. Environment can also affect hormones and behavior interaction.[9] Women have more connections between areas of language better enabling them to communicate than men. On average men out perform women on spatial reasoning tests, which is theorized to result from sexual differences. Testosterone has been linked to aggression and sex drive; therefore men tend to be more competitive or aggressive than women. There is also a large amount of individual diversity within all these traits and hormone levels.

[edit] Clinical relevance

[edit] Gene mutations

Genetic mutations and chromosomal abnormalities are two sources of HPG axis alteration.[10] Single mutations usually lead to changes in binding ability of the hormone and receptor leading to inactivation or over activation. These mutations can occur in the genes coding for GnRH, LH, and FSH or their receptors. Depending on which hormone and receptor are unable to bind different effects occur but all alter the HPG axis.

For example, in males mutations in the GnRH coding gene could result in hypogonadotrophic hypogonadism. A mutation that cause a gain of function for LH receptor can result in a condition known as testotoxicosis, which cause puberty to occur between ages 2–3 years. Loss of function of LH receptors can cause male pseudohermaphroditism. In females mutations would have analogous effects. Hormone repla***ent can be used to initiate puberty and continue if the gene mutation occurs in the gene coding for the hormone. Chromosomal mutations tend to affect the androgen production rather than the HPG axis.

[edit] Medications

Medications for diseases, conditions, and personal reasons often take advantage of the HPG axis. By altering hormones levels of the HPG axis, desirable effects can occur often along with side effects. Hormone levels can be altered in the case of hormonal birth control and hormone repla***ent therapy. Hormonally based birth control alters the HPG axis by mimicking the pregnancy state. The primary active ingredients are synthetic progesterones, which mimic biologically derived progesterone. The synthetic progesterone prevent the hypothalamus from releasing GnRH and the pituitary from releasing LH and FSH; therefore it prevents the ovarian cycle from entering the menstrual phase and prevents follicle development and ovulation. Also as a result, many of the side effects are similar to the symptoms of pregnancy. Hormone repla***ent therapy disrupt the HPG axis decline but focus more on estrogen. Alzheimer's has been shown to have a hormonal component, which could possibly be used to a method of prevent the disease.[11]

[edit] Environment factors

Environment can have large impact on the HPG axis. One example is women with eating disorders suffer from oligomenohrrea and secondary amenorrhea. Starvation from anorexia nervosa or bulimia causes the HPG axis to deactivate causing women's ovarian and uterine cycles to stop. Stress, physical exercise, and weight loss have been correlated with oligomenohrrea and secondary amenohree.[12] Similarly environmental factors can also affect men such as stress causing impotence. Prenatal exposure to alcohol can affect the hormones regulating fetal development resulting in foetal alcohol spectrum disorder.[13]

[edit] Comparative anatomy

The HPG axis is highly conserved in the animal kingdom.[14] While reproductive patterns may vary, the physical components and control mechanisms remain the same. The same hormones are used with some minor evolutionary modifications. Much of the research is done on animal models, because they mimic so well the control mechanism of human. It is important to remember humans are the only species to hide their fertile period, but this effect is a difference in the effect of the hormones rather than a difference in the HPG axis. Research about the evolution of the HPG axis can help to better treat conditions of the HPG axis.

[edit] See also
Hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis
Reproductive endocrinology

[edit] References

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[kelkel]

i dont feel anything on test, but tren i feel euphoric, tren cough, looking like a walking water fall and night sweats and insomnia suck but all of that doesnt stand in teh way of truly feeling like a god.

Awesome!

[binsser]

lol that is a great answer and for some reason on tren well... the tren im on now i sleep like a baby and get little sweats but do piss alot and the effect is great i think my body handles tren better than all the other compounds out there luckery and still full head of hair lololol