What to expect from first cycle?

**empireants901** · 04-30-2012, 01:12 PM

I'm on my first cycle of test prop 100mg eod. Its my first cycle, my training regiment is pretty solid along with my diet. I'm currently taking in about 4000 cals a day including 350g+ or more of protein. Could somebody give m a estimate of how much I'll gain?

Stats.
Age:23
Height:5 9
Weight:175
Bf%: 7

Tonight will be my 3rd total injection of 100mg of prop. Although my first injection was only 50mg

**The Bear 79** · 04-30-2012, 01:17 PM

If you can provide a formula of some sort that can be used to give an accurate estimate of how much you will gain, I will tell you how much you will gain.............

BTW, you're too young, have you done any research on the Endocrine & HPTA systems?

**empireants901** · 04-30-2012, 01:23 PM

Oh. I forgot the thread title was asking "am I old enough for steroids ?". I didn't ask you that. Iv read a million times you guys say to wait. Gtfo dude. I want a answer to my q. Not to a q I didn't ask. And also cycle will be 8 weeks

**gixxerboy1** · 04-30-2012, 01:24 PM

80 ounces

**The Bear 79** · 04-30-2012, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by empireants901

Oh. I forgot the thread title was asking "am I old enough for steroids?". I didn't ask you that. Iv read a million times you guys say to wait. Gtfo dude. I want a answer to my q. Not to a q I didn't ask. And also cycle will be 8 weeks

First of all, I don't give a fvck "what you asked", or "what you want", & if you have a problem with that, its YOUR problem, nobody else cares. And like I said, (in case you're too thick to pick up the hint) its not possible to "estimate" your or anyone's gains, NOBODY will gain the same, even on the exact same cycle, diet & training regime, everyone is different. And its ridiculous for you to think its possible for anyone to estimate your gains.

**Capebuffalo** · 04-30-2012, 01:35 PM

Damn I don't believe it but each day the young dumb children coming here to tell everyone what they are going to do. But what do you think? Oh I'm too young. You don't know me. I'm smarter than the last 1000 that asked the same question. Give me the answer I desire or you don't know sh*t. I've been here a short time but damn this gets old. Sorry for the vent.

**empireants901** · 04-30-2012, 01:41 PM

If you didn't care you wouldn't have posted. But that second part is all you had to say. Thanx

**empireants901** · 04-30-2012, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

Damn I don't believe it but each day the young dumb children coming here to tell everyone what they are going to do. But what do you think? Oh I'm too young. You don't know me. I'm smarter than the last 1000 that asked the same question. Give me the answer I desire or you don't know sh*t. I've been here a short time but damn this gets old. Sorry for the vent.

Iv delt with more shit in the past five years than you probably have your entire life. Arnie started at 18. Was he a dumb child too?

**The Bear 79** · 04-30-2012, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by empireants901

Iv delt with more shit in the past five years than you probably have your entire life. Arnie started at 18. Was he a dumb child too?

Do you know "Arnie" personally? Do you have access to his medical records? How do you know he's living happily ever after? Your justifications are as retarded as your decisions.

**JonnyConcrete** · 04-30-2012, 02:05 PM

Arnold probably started at 15 to!

To answer your question, somewhere in the region on 12-15lbs of lbm is a solid cycle! Its up to you how much you keep.......

**Capebuffalo** · 04-30-2012, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by empireants901

Iv delt with more shit in the past five years than you probably have your entire life. Arnie started at 18. Was he a dumb child too?

Simply put yes. For the medical implications alone.

**Capebuffalo** · 04-30-2012, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by empireants901

Iv delt with more shit in the past five years than you probably have your entire life. Arnie started at 18. Was he a dumb child too?

What in the hell does you dealing with a shitty life have to do with anything? Gtfo isn't that what you told Bear to do? Go both ways bro. Enjoy the rest of your shitty life. Mines been pretty good.

**Thunderforge** · 04-30-2012, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

80 ounces

Gixx knows everything!

**empireants901** · 04-30-2012, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by The Bear 79

Do you know "Arnie" personally? Do you have access to his medical records? How do you know he's living happily ever after? Your justifications are as retarded as your decisions.

Lol all I stated was he started young. I never tried to justify it, I know the risks I just got done not knowing if I was going to be alive the next day everyday for almost a year half way across the damn world. Go yell at somebody for smoking cigarettes or something and stop arguing with people you don't know over the Internet

**empireants901** · 04-30-2012, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

What in the hell does you dealing with a shitty life have to do with anything? Gtfo isn't that what you told Bear to do? Go both ways bro. Enjoy the rest of your shitty life. Mines been pretty good.

Haha my life isn't shitty at all .... Gah you people need a life. Srs.

**Capebuffalo** · 04-30-2012, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by empireants901

Lol all I stated was he started young. I never tried to justify it, I know the risks I just got done not knowing if I was going to be alive the next day everyday for almost a year half way across the damn world. Go yell at somebody for smoking cigarettes or something and stop arguing with people you don't know over the Internet

If I am reading this right you were over seas serving our country. If this is right I want to be the first to thank you for your service. That being said don't come here with an attitude. I may have over reacted. But you did as well

**empireants901** · 04-30-2012, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

If I am reading this right you were over seas serving our country. If this is right I want to be the first to thank you for your service. That being said don't come here with an attitude. I may have over reacted. But you did as well

3/5 kilo company. ( 3rd battalion 5th Marine regiment ). Served as 0311 infantry on two tours of northern Afghanistan. But sir you came in calling me a dumb child, I never started a thing with you, and the other guy was giving me answers to questions I didn't ask, that should offend anyone.

**Capebuffalo** · 04-30-2012, 03:07 PM

I said I over reacted. I thank you once again for your service. But tellin Bear to gtfo was out of line for the answer he gave to a question you didn't ask.

**ghettoboyd** · 04-30-2012, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by empireants901

Iv delt with more shit in the past five years than you probably have your entire life. Arnie started at 18. Was he a dumb child too?

lol man your killing me...if we had a dollar for every young bro that wants to cycle and used the arnold line we would all be retired...you young guys need a better excuse/justification than that... do as you please and good luck...

**The Bear 79** · 04-30-2012, 03:20 PM

Welcome home brother & I as well extend a great thanks for your selfless service. I served 12 years, 10 of which were in a Special Operations unit, I completely understand what kind of hell our government can expose our young warriors to, but, that doesn't make you any less susceptible to the potentially permanent damages that are associated with cycling too young. I stand my ground, your decision is a foolish one that you may end up regretting for the rest of your life.

**BBrian** · 04-30-2012, 04:19 PM

Ironically I did my first cycle when I was 23 and in 2D Light Armored Recon Battalion at Lejeune. I had to rely on what information existed on the net in the late 90's as to how to inject myself, which I did in my barracks room for 10 weeks with 10ml of 250mg Sustanon . Anyway, I ate as much as I could from the chow hall, visiting one when chow first started and another right before time was over, so I ate 5-6 meals a day of that sodium-lathed stuff and gained a good 20+ lbs. I also had no knowledge of AI's and PCT, which of course sucked, but I somehow still managed to keep much of those gains. I guess that was the one benefit of having such a strong gonadal axis at that age. I also probably got a little lucky where causing damage was concerned.

At any rate, how long will your cycle last? Are you using an AI, and do you have PCT lined up?

**empireants901** · 04-30-2012, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by BBrian

Ironically I did my first cycle when I was 23 and in 2D Light Armored Recon Battalion at Lejeune. I had to rely on what information existed on the net in the late 90's as to how to inject myself, which I did in my barracks room for 10 weeks with 10ml of 250mg Sustanon . Anyway, I ate as much as I could from the chow hall, visiting one when chow first started and another right before time was over, so I ate 5-6 meals a day of that sodium-lathed stuff and gained a good 20+ lbs. I also had no knowledge of AI's and PCT, which of course sucked, but I somehow still managed to keep much of those gains. I guess that was the one benefit of having such a strong gonadal axis at that age. I also probably got a little lucky where causing damage was concerned.

At any rate, how long will your cycle last? Are you using an AI, and do you have PCT lined up?

8 weeks, and yes I have armidex and Letro on hand. Probably won't use Letro though. And I have a ton of nolva and clomid. Also hcg

**empireants901** · 04-30-2012, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by The Bear 79

Welcome home brother & I as well extend a great thanks for your selfless service. I served 12 years, 10 of which were in a Special Operations unit, I completely understand what kind of hell our government can expose our young warriors to, but, that doesn't make you any less susceptible to the potentially permanent damages that are associated with cycling too young. I stand my ground, your decision is a foolish one that you may end up regretting for the rest of your life.

And If so. I asked for it. Could you link me some information on the possible damages I'm doing not waiting another year ?

**BBrian** · 04-30-2012, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by empireants901

8 weeks, and yes I have armidex and Letro on hand. Probably won't use Letro though. And I have a ton of nolva and clomid. Also hcg

And you shouldn't need the Letro if you take the Arimidex consistently. Are you going to be taking the HCG throughout the cycle?

**empireants901** · 04-30-2012, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by BBrian

And you shouldn't need the Letro if you take the Arimidex consistently. Are you going to be taking the HCG throughout the cycle?

I'm considering starting the hcg in a week or so when the prop kicks in. Also I'm going to start the dex .25 on the days in between injections

**empireants901** · 04-30-2012, 04:40 PM

Also I get my Bp checked by my cousin who's a nurse weekly. An I got bloodwork done before and will after my pct

**The Bear 79** · 04-30-2012, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by empireants901

And If so. I asked for it. Could you link me some information on the possible damages I'm doing not waiting another year ?

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...s#.T57p0dlpV6E Also, you can Google the effects of low Testosterone , which you may very well end up with if you irreversibly shut down your undeveloped HPTA. Does erectile dysfunction (limp d!ck) low or no libido (sex drive) & severe / chronic fatigue & depression sound good to you? I bet the ladies will love that sh!t........"hold on baby, let me get the dildo for you, I'm sorry bout this, I don't know whats wrong". And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

**stephenschmidt1** · 04-30-2012, 04:43 PM

We have alot in common. Im new to the site, im 23 years old on my first cycle, veteran with tour in Iraq and Afghan.

Well my cycle was first 4 weeks: deca 600mg/week with test cyp 500mg/week and then last 4 weeks test cyp 750mg/week.
I was 5'9" 165lbs when started and im on week 6 and weigh 180lbs roughly 12% body fat. Ill admit i havent been eating as much as i should though.

Good luck!!