Third guy I know that does not do PCT just step down doseage.

[srt4wad]

I talked to another guy in the gym Saturday that said you does not do PCT and about 4 weeks from end of cycle you just doses down the pins. Why is that? I mean from what I have read and have been told PCT is very important and there are things you need to do to prevent damage and help the body trans from cycle to normal.

I don't get it this is my first cycle and like I said before I had all PCT gear and during cycel AI and HCG (HCG was ordered) before I even really thought about pinning for the first time. I am no Trump but it was not that much and if it will only help then why would you NOT do it and just dose down?

Dose anybody here only dose down with out PCT or know someone that does?

[Turkish Juicer]

If the biological life of a compound is 14 days per se, then it takes 14 days for it to clear off of your body.

This is exactly why dosing down is irrelevant to hormonal recovery.

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Let's say I am on the 10th week of a 12 week Test E 1000mg EW cycle. My endogenous test is already shutdown, meaning that it will not be restarted again before I finish the cycle. So, what would be the point of dosing down to 500mg for the last 2 weeks? The biological life of a compound is determined by the lenght of its ester, not dosage.

It is a horrible idea to dose down and skip PCT.

[srt4wad]

Thanks Turk.

[kelkel]

If the biological life of a compound is 14 days per se, then it takes 14 days for it to clear off of your body.

This is exactly why dosing down is irrelevant to hormonal recovery.

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Let's say I am on the 10th week of a 12 week Test E 1000mg EW cycle. My endogenous test is already shutdown, meaning that it will not be restarted again before I finish the cycle. So, what would be the point of dosing down to 500mg for the last 2 weeks? The biological life of a compound is determined by the lenght of its ester, not dosage.

It is a horrible idea to dose down and skip PCT.

Could not have been said better ^^. Your friends are retards and I use that term nicely. Chances are they will suffer consequences from their actions at some point in life. You should direct them to the sticky threads above this forum and educate them.

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The most immediate result of skipping pct is that a large part of your gains made on cycle will be lost while you wait for months before your natty test recovers.

[Thor249]

I'm all for pct don't get me wrong.

But how did the pros in the past get away with not doing it?
From my understanding they never used pct after their cycles and they looked like they kept gains pretty well, not sure how they are hpta health wise but it just seems weird?

Anyone have any knowledge on the old school methods?

[Capebuffalo]

Pros don't pct. they run lower dosages. Similar to slingshot except they my deload 3-4-5 months. Then reload heavy.

[Turkish Juicer]

^^^ True. Pros neither cycle nor do they run PCT for that matter. They stay on a moderate amount of Test throughout the year and than up the dose & start stacking multiple compounds as they start ''growing into a show''.

As for keeping the gains throughout the year, they stay on relatively high doses of HGH, Slin and IFG-1 at all times, meaning that they owe most of their growth to relentless use of such compounds, not Test alone.

[Simon1972]

i was thinking about it and it sort of makes sense if you stopped a cycle of 500 mg a week and slowly tapered off at say 100 mg each week until you reached 100 mg, at some stage you will be walking around with injecting a test level of 100 mg which is below 250 (lets say 250 is natural state). wouldn't that lower injected test , along with pct allow the natty levels to fire up, whilst preventing muscle loss? of course what im asking is an extended period of low synthetic test at the end of the cycle with proper pct , wouldnt that still alow for natty test to fire up as you taper down eliminating a situation of virtually negligible natural test levels?

[Turkish Juicer]

If you have been on Test for an extended period of time, then your HTPA faces the risk of never recovering again, regardless of the dose you have been on.

Time is the determinant here, not dosage.

[JohnnyVegas]

lets say 250 is natural state

Except for the fact that 250mg/week is WELL above natural levels. Even injecting 70 - 100mg will keep you shut down. That is why so many TRT guys, even the ones on low doses, use HCG to stop testicular atrophy. They are shut down.

I read a study that showed 200mg of Test Cyp will shut you down as quickly as two weeks. That is before you levels even reach their peak (if my thinking is correct about the long ester).

[songdog]

Good job Turk and if you ate injecting test you are shut down period.Tapering is old school just do your pct.Any doubts read the pct section Swiftos got some good material there.

[JayBee]

I swear, the worst info I've heard was from friends or people at the gym. I ask what their PCT is and they ask what is PCT. They say all they do is go off in the winter. They don't even know what they are using and have no clue what can happen down the road. They're the same people that think you don't need a diet or have dedication to training, that the roids will make you huge. Before I started I thought it was cheating until I researched all I could and found out how hard it is to keep focused on diet and training and how healthy you have to live. If you read up on this site you can get all the info that will back up why you should do a PCT instead of just "you don't need to because I never do" answers.

[Simon1972]

Except for the fact that 250mg/week is WELL above natural levels. Even injecting 70 - 100mg will keep you shut down. That is why so many TRT guys, even the ones on low doses, use HCG to stop testicular atrophy. They are shut down.

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ok i hear what you are saying, but is there a injected amount thats below natural threshold, where natty test levels rise?

if my body needs the equivelant of 100mg natty test a week to function and im coming off cycle, could 20mg each week allow for natty test to come back while safeguarding muscle gains - of course im not saying drop PCT, PCT should always be run at the same time... trying to think outside of the square here, its just a thought i had to prevent system crashing after a cycle and not something ive done or am going to do...any views?

[swm1972]

Won't work. Any amount of exogenous testosterone is going to interfere with recovery. Even a low HRT dose. Why would your body attempt to make what it is already getting without any effort? Short answer? It won't.

[Simon1972]

Why would your body attempt to make what it is already getting without any effort? Short answer? It won't.

even if its not enough?

[lovbyts]

When people talk about what the pros do they usually forget there are 100s of pro wannabee or people who did not make it due to sides or injury for every 1 person who does so you cant just look at what worked for 1 person and still have to weigh the risks. Ask 100 different pro or semi pro body builders about cycle and you will get 100 different answers. Unless you are 100% your goals are to go pro or compete then it's better to do things safely and with moderation.

[spywizard]

the only theory that' i've seen and done is 5 mg dbol during pct, but that will not allow for full recovery, what you risk is HRT for life..

andd do you really want to do that with the situation health care is becoming in the USA??

[G502]

even if its not enough?

If your body needed say 100mg nat test and you inject 50mg, then it only needs 50mg more, so it will produce it 2x slower and it's half of what it needs? so you've basicly wasted 50mg of test that you've injected? or you could just do pct and boost your test levels back up asap? I think lol anyway PCT is the way to go lol

[Simon1972]

ahh i have so much more to learn!