The Endurance Stack:

**senior_xj** · 05-04-2012, 12:26 AM

(Yes i researched & found good info, but i wanna hear opinions & advise from u guys).

-Ok so i think i got it mostly nailed down, BUT figured id pass it thru u guys & see what comes up for advice & all. The cycle has 3 things in mind, first & most important is cardio output & increasing endurance. Second is strength gains without gaining size & actually loosing 20 more pounds taking me to 230lbs. Third is to run lower dosed compunds keeping sides to a minimum as my 35yr old ass needs to keep his health in check.

-With that said, the cycle is, Turinabol for 40 days at 50mgs ED, then EQ at 300mgs weekly, & last is Test-E at 400mgs weekly.

-Now for some obviouse facts, cant run winny as it dries out my joints & gives me unbearable lower back pumps. Deca & d-bols are out due to the bloat & weight gain with them. Test-Prop is out due to the EOD injects & walking into my BJJ class limpinmg from my prop shot isnt ideal. HGH is beyond my budget but if i had the coin, id run some Anavar in the future.

-Last is me, im 35 yrs old with a long record as the gym rat, i boxed for a few years, then i switched to MMA & trained for competition in BJJ & Muay Thai. However, this was years ago & wanna get back my cardio & back into MMA since my 6yr old Son has just joined up. Im 6' even, 250lbs & have already dropped 15 lbs from dieting alone. As i prepare to go back to my old stomping grounds in Jiu Jitsu & Muay Thai, they require an imence amount of cardio & conditioning & im not quite the beast i used to be dealifting in the high 600's & benching in the 500's. Ofcourse, being a big muscle head only works against u as the heart & lungs have to work double time to feed ur 250 pound ass. This is why those 155 pounders are so quick & have such high cardio levels!!

-Sorry for the long thread as i just wanted to cover my bases & then see what u guys have for advice within a budjet!!!

-Oh & P.S= ill be taking a the essential vitamins & supplements to go with this.

**gonzo6183** · 05-04-2012, 12:34 AM

Whats your cycle?

And your bf?

what PCT do you have planned?

Using HCG ?

AI?

**JDBeretta** · 05-04-2012, 12:40 AM

Yeah. REALLY hard to advise on just compound thoughts.

What does your cycle history look like?

**gonzo6183** · 05-04-2012, 12:51 AM

Im reading that cycle as:

Week 1 - 6 : 50mg ED Tbol
week 6 - a : 300mg EQ
Week a - b : test E 400mg

Can you clear that up for me along with the other info?

**senior_xj** · 05-04-2012, 12:57 AM

Originally Posted by gonzo6183

Whats your cycle?

And your bf?

what PCT do you have planned?

Using HCG ?

AI?

-Look up & u'll see the cycle im planning to run has been typed in this thread above.

-Body fat is hard to judge since my upper body is leaner & muscular, (im naturally a big muscular guy), BUT i have a 42" waste which will be difficult to get off & is my first target to get rid of aiming for 38!!

-With the low dosed compounds, not much PCT is needed, but ill pick up some clomid, Nov, HCG, & some supplements such as DAA, Erase, Tribulus, Long Jack, Testofen, & amino acids.

**gonzo6183** · 05-04-2012, 01:02 AM

As I mentioned above this is what I make of your cycle, you need to lay it out clearly

Week 1 - 6 : 50mg ED Tbol
week 6 - a : 300mg EQ
Week a - b : test E 400mg

Is that right?

If you cant judge bf are you able to post a photo?

As for PCT a FULL PCT is needed for your cycle and IMO any cycle. Clomid and Nolva should be both used for 4 weeks, do you know how much to use?

As for the HCG you should use that through out your cycle at 2 x 250iu per week NOT for PCT

**senior_xj** · 05-04-2012, 01:10 AM

Originally Posted by JDBeretta

Yeah. REALLY hard to advise on just compound thoughts.

What does your cycle history look like?

Oh dear god, i started in the gym at age 20. By 25 i switched over to the dark side starting with the classic Arnold Deca /Dbols/ & Test stack. Im a fan of running long cycles depending on the compuonds used. PLUS ive ran crazy cycles of a Sust amp ed, (thats 250mgs ED!!), 1200 mgs of deca, lots & lots of d-bol. Ive ran quite a few cycles in my past so i know what im doing.

Lets keep this thread on topic, & thats the putting together of a complete endurance/cardio cycle as the #1 goal here.

Thanks.

**senior_xj** · 05-04-2012, 01:19 AM

Originally Posted by gonzo6183

Im reading that cycle as:

Week 1 - 6 : 50mg ED Tbol
week 6 - a : 300mg EQ
Week a - b : test E 400mg

Can you clear that up for me along with the other info?

-Ur mostly correct,

-50 mgs of turanibol for the 1st 6 weeks ED

-EQ at 300 mgs, one shot weekly for 13 weeks.

-And the test at 500 mgs weekly for 13 weeks.

-

**senior_xj** · 05-04-2012, 01:29 AM

Originally Posted by gonzo6183

As I mentioned above this is what I make of your cycle, you need to lay it out clearly

Week 1 - 6 : 50mg ED Tbol
week 6 - a : 300mg EQ
Week a - b : test E 400mg

Is that right?

If you cant judge bf are you able to post a photo?

As for PCT a FULL PCT is needed for your cycle and IMO any cycle. Clomid and Nolva should be both used for 4 weeks, do you know how much to use?

As for the HCG you should use that through out your cycle at 2 x 250iu per week NOT for PCT

-I can post up some pics of my bodybuilding days as well to make a comparison to my physique today.

-I already mentioned taking Nov & Clomid, & yes i know how to use them.

-I dont believe my supplier has HCG , (but i'll check), so ill have to dig around for it if i chooe to run it.

-U can post ur pics up now, but mine will have to wait till tomorrow.

**senior_xj** · 05-04-2012, 02:31 AM

Heres 2 pics in my bodybuilding days at age 27...

And now just a few months ago...

Remember i wanna keep the focus of this thread to improve endurance, cardio, & limit muscle fatigue.
Thanks!!

**gonzo6183** · 05-04-2012, 02:52 AM

I understand what youre saying mate, the confusion is in the format that you laid out your cycle plan.

The way you have written it reads like this:

Week 1 - 6 : 50mg ED Tbol
week 6 - a : 300mg EQ
Week a - b : test E 400mg

Thats why I keep asking for you to make it clear

**spywizard** · 05-04-2012, 05:53 AM

gw 501516 5mg day

by far the best thing i have ever used for increasing endurance.. period...

**The Bear 79** · 05-04-2012, 05:59 AM

Originally Posted by spywizard

gw 501516 5mg day

by far the best thing i have ever used for increasing endurance.. period...

I read an article on that the other day, I've been considering using T3 & was going to incorporate the GW in an effort to keep my body's metabolisms focused on burning just fat rather than fat & muscle. All in all, I say its a pretty impressive compound based on what I've read.

**spywizard** · 05-04-2012, 06:04 AM

basically what it does is lowers your hrt and the fat motilization effect..

So if your high hrt during near max cardio effort is 167 (using my #'s) and during max resistence training.. it will lower that to 157 and recovery between sets is much faster up to 50% faster in my case..

What does it do for you?? it allows you to do more, much more and thus effects are more effective..

**Bigload** · 05-05-2012, 08:08 PM

Hey Im on 500mgs of test E and found for cardio side its to much, u just get to pumped, i do 3 rounds on the pads and my lower back is killing, so a lower dose will probly work better for you, in the past of done lower doses and had no problems mma or kickboxing training....felt like a monster!

**senior_xj** · 06-05-2012, 12:52 AM

Originally Posted by spywizard

gw 501516 5mg day

by far the best thing i have ever used for increasing endurance.. period...

I just ordered & recieved a bottle of this stuff from PP, so what company did u get ur GW from if u dont mind me askin?? Im sure askin bout a Peptide comany is ok on the forum so there should be no harm in asking.