Need help with first cycle

**willnorthwest** · 05-06-2012, 11:14 PM

Hello everyone, hopefully you vets and pros can help me out. I'm a very healthy 32 year old male. I'm 6'1 and I weigh 200 lbs. I dont know my bf%, but I am lean and fairly muscular. I have been working out with weights semi-regularly for about 12 years now, and I am ready to finally do my first cycle and see some serious results. I have recently purchased some gear from a friend of a friend. Here is what i currently have:
(2) 10ml vials of Testosterone Enanthate at 300mg/ml
(2) 10ml vials of Equipoise at 250mg/ml
(70) 50mg oral tablets of Winstrol
(70) oral Nolvadex pills

week 1-12 600mg test enanthate per week
week 1-12 500mg equipoise per week
*Im not sure when i should take the Winstrol (recommendations please)
Nolvadex on hand during cycle, however, used as pct for 21 days at 50mg per day

Although this is my FIRST cycle, he has recommended that I take all three together as a stack and use the Nolvadex as my pct at the end of the cycle. Here is what I am looking for: I need to know if using these three compounds as a stack would be a good idea for a first-timer(if not, please explain why and what I should use instead). Also, I want to know what the best dosage would be for these compounds and for how many weeks exactly. Any help would be appreciated, especially from the seasoned vets and pros.
btw, my goal is to gain about 15 to 20 pounds of lean muscle, so I am looking for a lean bulk and not for a pure bulk. thanks!!!!!

**lovbyts** · 05-06-2012, 11:20 PM

This is a good place to start reading
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...o#.T6dbhTdXZv8

**willnorthwest** · 05-06-2012, 11:30 PM

lovbyts.....
thank you for the link, however, I was hoping for a more direct approach to the recommending and instructional support by educated members such as yourself. I have read a bit, however, I cant seem to find anything that has the use of these 3 specific compounds as a stack and just want to ensure that this would be a decent and advisable stack. What is your personal opinion on these three?

**dumb_aas** · 05-06-2012, 11:52 PM

The best idea for a first cycle would be to run a test only cycle. This is so you can know how your body reacts to it, not to mention you'll see real good gains from a test only for your first time. After this you can start adding compounds, this way you know what compound is causing any sides if they pop up

Most people will tell you that Eq is a waste of money. You would be better off running test e only for 12 weeks.

**willnorthwest** · 05-07-2012, 12:11 AM

dumb aas....
thank you for the info. would 600mg a week be okay(twice a week injections of 300mg)? is this right on, too little, or too much? i was told that 600mg would be ideal, and just want to know your thoughts. Also, if I decide to just take the enanthate (which I probably will), that would mean that I have a bunch of Equipoise and Winstrol tablets that I wont be using, at least not for awhile. What is the shelf-life on these compounds (do they expire or go bad if not used in a certain time frame?)? That is, in case I want to use them in a later cycle.

**lovbyts** · 05-07-2012, 12:22 AM

Calm down, no need for name calling.

The shelf life is at least 2 years or more if kept in a dry dark place away from heat. You have plenty of time to use them later. Most everyone seems to agree the EQ is pretty worthless but since you have it just save it for later. you can use the Winstrol at the end of your cycle if you want or also save it for later.

Typically 500mg is a good round number for 1st cycle. If it was me i would save the EQ for the 2nd cycle just to see if everything being equal if you think it helped more than just using the test. Can you do 600 mg a week? Sure but be aware the higher the number the more likely you are for elevated E2 levels so you may have to add in an AI which would be a good idea to have on hand anyways such as Liquidex or liquid stane just in-case you end up being E2 sensitive.

**dumb_aas** · 05-07-2012, 12:43 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

Calm down, no need for name calling.

who's he calling names? That is actually my name, kind of like a play on words. But yeah I completely agree with what you're saying. I'd run 600mg a week but no more and definitely run an AI throughout

**lovbyts** · 05-07-2012, 12:47 AM

Originally Posted by dumb_aas

who's he calling names? That is actually my name, kind of like a play on words. But yeah I completely agree with what you're saying. I'd run 600mg a week but no more and definitely run an AI throughout

Hahahaha I just realized he was using your name before reading your post.

**The Bear 79** · 05-07-2012, 05:29 AM

Originally Posted by willnorthwest

dumb aas....thank you for the info.

Originally Posted by lovbyts

Calm down, no need for name calling.

Originally Posted by dumb_aas

who's he calling names? That is actually my name, kind of like a play on words.

Originally Posted by lovbyts

Hahahaha I just realized he was using your name before reading your post.

That's hilarious...............lol

**willnorthwest** · 05-07-2012, 10:45 AM

Thanks for all the help so far guys, it is much appreciated! Okay, so I'm just gonna do the Test E at 600mg/week and hold off on the EQ and Win for now. Continuing on, you guys are recommending that I get an AI as well. So, are yall saying that just having the Nolvadex (which I know is NOT an AI) and using it as pct is not enough? Do I need to get my hands on a few more things before I start this cycle? I will absolutely not begin this cycle until I am fully satisfied that I have everything in place for optimal success and safety!!!!! Thanks!!!!!