17aa hepatoxicity Q

**fanof** · 05-08-2012, 02:24 PM

it is obviously not recommended to run 2 different orals at once... but again not that im planning to, im just very curious...

is liver toxity more a result of dose or number of substances? in other words would running 25mg ed winstrol and 25mg ed of an equally hepatoxic oral be more toxic than taking 50mg of winstrol oral ed, simply because there are two different compounds, even though the total dose in each is equivalent?

i know, not your common question... but im very inquisitve

**Turkish Juicer** · 05-08-2012, 11:32 PM

Hepatotoxicity is a result of overall dosing as opposed to number of substances.

Therefore, running 25mg ed winstrol and 25mg ed of an equally hepatoxic oral would NOT be more toxic than taking 50mg of winstrol oral ed. It would be the same.

Running two orals at the same time is a bad idea.

**fanof** · 05-09-2012, 01:12 AM

so if it isnt more toxic, why is it a bad idea? just as long as you keep total dose the same?

**Turkish Juicer** · 05-09-2012, 01:49 AM

When a user asks us about stacking two different orals it is usually a generous dose for each compound, which is why it is bad idea.

Why would you want to stack two orals at very low doses anyway? Do you think you will benefit more by doing so?

**fanof** · 05-09-2012, 06:12 AM

nope not planning on cycling just yet... not to into the idea of orals anyway, just wondering

**gixxerboy1** · 05-09-2012, 07:24 AM

Originally Posted by Turkish Juicer

When a user asks us about stacking two different orals it is usually a generous dose for each compound, which is why it is bad idea.

Why would you want to stack two orals at very low doses anyway? Do you think you will benefit more by doing so?

agreed, you need to take a certain amount of a drug for it to be effective. So its usually the standard dose fo 2 different orals people want to stack

**swm1972** · 05-09-2012, 09:19 AM

Personally, I think the toxicity of these compounds is overrated. Anadrol is supposed to be the liver killer oral we've all been warned... but the recommended dosage for anadrol when utilized for medicinal purposes?

http://www.rxlist.com/anadrol-50-dru...ons-dosage.htm

1-5mg/kg of body mass for both adults and children. For a 220lbs man (100 kilos) that is a dose of 100-500 mgs a day!!! And they have people run this dose for a minimum of 3 months with 6 months not unheard of. Some people run it for even longer. So I truly question the 100mgs/ day for 30 days being that dangerous of a dose. This is why I don't believe everything I read on message boards. Look for data yourself. The answers are out there.

**Turkish Juicer** · 05-09-2012, 11:51 AM

No need to sweat this subject with rhetoric IMO.

Take 100mg of Anadrol 50 ED for 8 weeks (something many of us already perform here) and go get your liver and kidneys checked by a specialist.

See the level of toxication for yourself, at your own risk.

**swm1972** · 05-09-2012, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by Turkish Juicer

No need to sweat this subject with rhetoric IMO.

Take 100mg of Anadrol 50 ED for 8 weeks (something many of us already perform here) and go get your liver and kidneys checked by a specialist.

See the level of toxication for yourself, at your own risk.

Rhetoric? I gave a link to a medical reference book that shows exactly what I said. I backup what I say brother. No rhetoric here.

Maybe that word doesn't mean what you think it means...
scientifically backed information is never rhetoric.

Rhetoric - Language designed to have a persuasive or impressive effect on its audience, but often regarded as lacking in sincerity or meaningful.

Doctors often prescribe this, often proclaimed extremely harsh oral steroid , at doses 5 times greater then we run them for a minimum of 3 times longer. These are the facts. Some people are prescribed to run this compound at 100mgs a day for life. This isn't my opinion. It's a fact. Read the article.

I have had blood work after running anadrol at 100mgs a day for 6 weeks. 12 days later it wasn't elevated enough to warrant attention from the doctor.

**Lemonada8** · 05-09-2012, 10:50 PM

Anadrol is outdated in the medical field, and is rarely used anymore due to the requirement of first pass in the liver which increases hepatotoxicity. So any doctor that is precribing this drug is using old information. ALso, if a doc Rx's anadrol, the liver must be monitiored to watch for any liver problems that arise.
Also, using a website for the information on a drug that really doesnt show any 'authority', you should include a grain of salt. They do a good job explaining the drug in laymans terms and thats about it.

Typically, instead of anadrol, they use androgel or injections.

**Turkish Juicer** · 05-10-2012, 12:16 AM

Originally Posted by swm1972

Rhetoric? I gave a link to a medical reference book that shows exactly what I said. I backup what I say brother. No rhetoric here.

Maybe that word doesn't mean what you think it means...
scientifically backed information is never rhetoric.

Rhetoric - Language designed to have a persuasive or impressive effect on its audience, but often regarded as lacking in sincerity or meaningful.

Doctors often prescribe this, often proclaimed extremely harsh oral steroid , at doses 5 times greater then we run them for a minimum of 3 times longer. These are the facts. Some people are prescribed to run this compound at 100mgs a day for life. This isn't my opinion. It's a fact. Read the article.

I have had blood work after running anadrol at 100mgs a day for 6 weeks. 12 days later it wasn't elevated enough to warrant attention from the doctor.

Show me a doctor who has recently prescribed 100-500mgs of Anadrol 50 to a patient for the duration of an entire year, and I'll show you a fake MD diploma.

**swm1972** · 05-10-2012, 05:03 AM

Opinions of anonymous Internet posters. I give links. They give random opinions and rhetoric. You all decide who is giving accurate info and advise then decide for yourselves how you want to run these compounds.

**Sgt. Hartman** · 05-10-2012, 05:14 AM

Originally Posted by swm1972

Rhetoric? I gave a link to a medical reference book that shows exactly what I said. I backup what I say brother. No rhetoric here.

Maybe that word doesn't mean what you think it means...
scientifically backed information is never rhetoric.

Rhetoric - Language designed to have a persuasive or impressive effect on its audience, but often regarded as lacking in sincerity or meaningful.

Doctors often prescribe this, often proclaimed extremely harsh oral steroid , at doses 5 times greater then we run them for a minimum of 3 times longer. These are the facts. Some people are prescribed to run this compound at 100mgs a day for life. This isn't my opinion. It's a fact. Read the article.

I have had blood work after running anadrol at 100mgs a day for 6 weeks. 12 days later it wasn't elevated enough to warrant attention from the doctor.

I agree that the whole hepatoxicity deal is way over exaggerated when it comes to AAS. For something to be liver toxic it must do more than slightly raise liver enzymes - it must injure or damage the liver. One of liver's jobs is to detoxify, so what's the big deal if liver enzymes are raised for 6 or 8 or even 12 weeks? Also hepatoxic is a relative term. A certain dose or compound that damages my liver may not damage someone else's, there's too many genetic and lifestyle variables to say that xyz dose of xyz compound is hepatoxic imo.

But to justify running 500mg of anadrol a day because it's documented in the medical community is pretty ridiculous. Hell, AIDS patients are prescribed .1mg/kg of GH, that'd be 30iu a day for a 220lb person. Just because somethings done in the medical community doesn't mean it's safe or without consequence, it just means it's better than the alternative in that specific situation.

**swm1972** · 05-11-2012, 05:19 AM

Originally Posted by Sgt. Hartman

I agree that the whole hepatoxicity deal is way over exaggerated when it comes to AAS. For something to be liver toxic it must do more than slightly raise liver enzymes - it must injure or damage the liver. One of liver's jobs is to detoxify, so what's the big deal if liver enzymes are raised for 6 or 8 or even 12 weeks? Also hepatoxic is a relative term. A certain dose or compound that damages my liver may not damage someone else's, there's too many genetic and lifestyle variables to say that xyz dose of xyz compound is hepatoxic imo.

But to justify running 500mg of anadrol a day because it's documented in the medical community is pretty ridiculous. Hell, AIDS patients are prescribed .1mg/kg of GH, that'd be 30iu a day for a 220lb person. Just because somethings done in the medical community doesn't mean it's safe or without consequence, it just means it's better than the alternative in that specific situation.

I wasn't justifying the use of these compounds at higher doses. Was just saying the doses we run them at aren't dangerous because they are prescribed at much higher levels for longer periods of time. Never once did I suggest they be run over the standard dose.

Previously someone posted these aren't currently prescribed and anyone doing so has a fake medical license. This is the problem with boards like this. People post info and have no clue what they are talking about, no data to back up what they say, and when you suggest they prove the nonsense they are spewing they ask you to prove their nonsense isn't true. The standards we hold these self professed experts to is astonishingly low. Anadrol is still currently accepted as a drug therapy in the united states. Period.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/313229-anadrol-diet/

**Lemonada8** · 05-11-2012, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by swm1972

I wasn't justifying the use of these compounds at higher doses. Was just saying the doses we run them at aren't dangerous because they are prescribed at much higher levels for longer periods of time. Never once did I suggest they be run over the standard dose.

Previously someone posted these aren't currently prescribed and anyone doing so has a fake medical license. This is the problem with boards like this. People post info and have no clue what they are talking about, no data to back up what they say, and when you suggest they prove the nonsense they are spewing they ask you to prove their nonsense isn't true. The standards we hold these self professed experts to is astonishingly low. Anadrol is still currently accepted as a drug therapy in the united states. Period.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/313229-anadrol-diet/

If you are referring to my post, please dont put words in my mouth. I never said anything about a fake medical license.
and the link you posted is about using it for anabolic steroid purposes, not repla***ent therapy.

**Turkish Juicer** · 05-12-2012, 02:25 AM

Originally Posted by swm1972

Opinions of anonymous Internet posters. I give links. They give random opinions and rhetoric. You all decide who is giving accurate info and advise then decide for yourselves how you want to run these compounds.

What makes you any different than an ''anonymous internet poster''? Only because you gave a link to a website that enlists information about drugs, do you think this is enough to back up your point to the ultimate level? What did you think, seriously, that we were going to stand here and applause you because you shared a link? Wow, what a great effort! I think you are looking at your own image through a magnify glass, which is called deception my friend.

As for your rhetoric that Anadrol is still currently accepted as a drug therapy in the united states, then let me tell you that Anadrol 50 is an OC drug in my country but no sane doctor with a medical license puts a patient through 100-500mg of Anadrol ED for a year unless this could be absolutely justified from a medical stand point.

FDA is to decide whether a drug is allowed to be produced and put to the market in the States. Same FDA has NOT approved the production, importation or the distribution of Primobolan Depot for medical purposes in the States so far, which is by far the safest injectable AAS of all times as it has been successfully used to treat muscle wasting diseases such as anemia, HIV AIDS and etc. with minimal side effects. It is likely that institutional politics are involved when it comes to which steroidal compound is given a pass for the medical community but how would a self-professed forum expert know this, right?

**fanof** · 05-12-2012, 06:01 AM

turkish juicer, is that you in your avatar??

**Turkish Juicer** · 05-12-2012, 08:37 AM

I wish it were

Hamdullah AYKUTLU is the guy in my avatar.

A 42 year old Turkish pro BB with god given genetics as you can see, the guy is incredible, still competing and winning pro competitions.

**fanof** · 05-12-2012, 11:52 AM

42! wow
hahah he looks turkish and your name, so i asumed...
i was about to say like holy cr@p your my hero!

**Turkish Juicer** · 05-12-2012, 01:50 PM

I would be my own hero if I were him, lol.

BTW, he is the most shredded BB alive, he looks photo shopped in person, it is ridiculous.

**swm1972** · 05-12-2012, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by Lemonada8

If you are referring to my post, please dont put words in my mouth. I never said anything about a fake medical license.
and the link you posted is about using it for anabolic steroid purposes, not repla***ent therapy.

It has never been prescribed for repla***ent therapy. It is used for severe cases of anemia. And it is still a currently prescribed compound. Read the link again. It discusses medicinal use more then growth.

Post was directed to someone who thinks he knows more then he does. Not you.

**fanof** · 05-13-2012, 02:39 AM

Originally Posted by Turkish Juicer

I would be my own hero if I were him, lol.

BTW, he is the most shredded BB alive, he looks photo shopped in person, it is ridiculous.

lol

**Natural selection** · 05-13-2012, 04:43 AM

how many weeks should u run your liver protection before dosing your orals. ive always taken milkthistle a month before and during and a month after. is there a more common practice.?