Beginner Cycle - Test Ethanate

[honeysingh]

Hello Fellow members,

This is my first post on this forum. I have been reading a lot but never posted on this forum. I have decided to run my first Test Ethanate cycle. I am 26(almost 27), been training from last 1.5 years. I am 5'11 and weight around 170.

My first cycle would look like this:

Test E: 500mg every week for 12 weeks(every3.5 days(monday morning & thursday evening))
Aromasin: 12.5 ED
Hcg 500iu every week

Standard PCT: Nolva 40/40/20/20

I have been debating about running clomid and novla together, and read a lot about how novla is better than clomid. What do you guys think about my PCT and hows my cycle.

Thanks in advance
Cheers

[Turkish Juicer]

Your stats point out to the fact that you are NOT ready to cycle, as you will hear this from any experienced and knowledgeable forum member for two specific reasons: 1.5 years into training is way to little before on gets to mess around with roids and 170lbs at 5'11 means there is much room for improvement in your diet.

You will continue to grow naturally for at least another 1.5 years if you go through different workout routines and figure how your body responds to every and each, while improving your diet to perfection.

Hit the diet and training sections as you won't get many answers that support your idea of running a cycle at this point.

[honeysingh]

THanks Mate, But I have decided to cycle and have gear on hand. Please let me know if you have any advice on cycle itlsef.

[Capebuffalo]

THanks Mate, But I have decided to cycle and have gear on hand. Please let me know if you have any advice on cycle itlsef.

He did. He's telling you that your body isn't ready and that you will probably lose any gains you make after words. He gave you great advice that 90% of the people here will agree with. If you work on your diet you can put on 10-15 lbs. you are light for your height. I already know you have stopped listening and will cycle anyway. Because there is always a short cut.

[honeysingh]

Thanks again, Please don't reply if you don't have any "useful" info to share. I don't wanted to sound like an asshole but I would prefer help on how to correctly run this cycle.

[Thor249]

Ok so you're ok with losing your gains after the cycle is done?

I'm pretty sure what Turk said is "useful"info.
Why don't you want to listen? You clearly just want to take a shortcut......

Go ahead and run the cycle it looks fine.
I would add clomid 100/100/50/50

Just so you know steroids aren't magic..... You still need to work hard and bust your ass ESPECIALLY when it comes to diet.

Its clear that you have no clue on how to diet. Natural or not your body still needs to be fed.

Good luck and don't come back here crying when you're cycle "isint working" or you've lost the whole 10lbs you put on.

[JohnnyVegas]

I like cars, so here is my car analogy:
You have come here with a race car that you cobbled together in your garage. You are convinced all you need to win races is advice on the best tires. When confronted with questions like, "well, what is your suspension set up" and "do you have any driver training" you respond, "you guys aren't helpful, just give me the tire advice I asked for."

You will find someone willing to agree with you that the perfect tire is all you need. You will buy your tires and then a few month from now you will wonder why you are losing all these races when you have the perfect tires!

Bah, that analogy is too long: you need a more comprehensive plan for growth if you want to see solid gains and minimize risks.

[Capebuffalo]

Just for the sake of argument would you mind posting your meals for a day. Give us something to work with.

[srt4wad]

@Johnny, that is pretty pimp. I have only begun to cycle and doing more and more research everyday and asking questions and I don't understand why some people just don't catch whats being thrown at them. The tire thing is great and really makes sense.

Also, list to Turk Op the dude knows his stuff as do a lot of posters they are not bashing just some people are hard headed and if I knew as much as them, I would get frustrated trying to explain that gear is not the only thing that make you stronger or bigger when naturally you have not even peaked.

IMO

[honeysingh]

capebuffalo I used to eat whatever. But form last 2 months, I have been really strict with my diet(i eat at least 6 meals a day), went from 157 to 170 in that time frame.

My sample diet looks like this:
7:30- 1.5scoop protein, 1/2 cup instant oatmeal, 1 scoop peatnut butter, 12 oz milk(1% milk) - all in a blender(more like a weight gainer)
10:00- ~1-2 whole egg, 4-6 egg whites, 1/2 cut cooked oatmeal, one whole grain bagel with butter, sometime a cup of plain yougurt
12:30 ~ two whole wheat bread, one can of tuna with light mayo, 12 oz milk(1% milk blended with blueberries or raspberries)
2:30 ~ 1 scoop protein pwder in 12 oz milk, with pasta and beeforchicken or brown rice or something like that(usually a leftover from last night), an apple--30-45 mins before workout
4:30 ~ 2 scoop protein pwder, eod i drink raw 8 egg whites with it, a banana
5:30 ~ 1 scoop protein powder with water and 1 serving of peanut butter
7:00 ~ oh yeah protein bar with 30grams of protein
9:00 ~ dinner (500 grams of grilled chicken with salad and pasta)
10:30 ~ 1 scoop of prtein before bed with 1 cup of cottage cheese

I might be missing few items on the above list.

With this sample diet i take:
controlled labs vitamin 1 dose(split two times 6 tabs)
oxi mega fish oil(2 cap with 3 meals)
c4 pre workout
creatine mono hydrate
xtend intra workout
On whey and myofusion

I am thinking about adding more supplements according to Jim Stoppani 12 weeks shortcut to size program.
Sorry i can't post urls, please search jim stoppani 12 weeks program on bb.com. I am sure you guys are familiar with that one.

I was thinking about doing this 12 week program with this cycle.

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I understand what you guys mean, although I don't wanna be a professional body builder nor do i like 10 thousand veins sticking out of my arms. What i thought was that my current body weight is (170), I will gain around ~20lbs after cycle, and then probably keep at least 10 after pct.
I think 180-185 would be the ideal weight for me.

I personally like an "Abercrombie Model" look, just wanted to be in shape/cut.

^^ This is what i was thinking, my side of the story lmao!!

finally, I know you guys care about guys like me. I really appreciate that, thats why i like this forum.

[JohnnyVegas]

finally, I know you guys care about guys like me. I really appreciate that, thats why i like this forum.

A lot of guys just feel assaulted when they get more advice than they were asking for. Glad you stuck it out.

You are correct - the advice comes from people that have learned things the hard way and are trying to save others from making the same mistakes.

The diet advice above is solid. If you are only 170, you might want to get these other things sorted out before trying AAS. I also believe AAS use is not a one time thing that leaves you with a perfect body, it is usually something done over a long periods of time because bodies are not built in 12 weeks.

[Turkish Juicer]

I am glad you posted your diet because it will only help with my rhetoric of not having figured out diet and having room for further improvement.

You are getting TOO MUCH protein for your current body weight and for someone who is not currently cycling.

Your frequency of protein intake is also TOO MUCH, meaning that you body is oxidizing large amounts of amino acids before it ever has the chance to fully absorb and utilize them accordingly. In plain terms, you are shitting majority of your protein intake and thinning your wallet for no reason.

The amount of your daily protein intake that comes from shakes is ABSURD. It is way too much and not result oriented. Again, you are putting extra stress on your stomach, liver and kidneys by doing so and this is altogether an unnecessary practice besides not being healthy.

To sum up, your diet is 2 dimensional, whereas it needs to be 3 dimensional for optimal growth. This is a typical case where a lifter thinks he needs a lot of protein to grow since amino acids are the building blocks of muscle, simply forgetting that human body is naturally incapable of synthesizing and utilizing excessive amounts of protein intake. Furthermore, carbs are largely responsible for building a mass along with healthy fats and anabolic protein.

You need to switch from a supplement dependent two dimensional diet to a rather complex and more beneficial diet that will yield goal oriented results. This can be achieved only though introducing many macronutrient meals that are missing in your diet. More red meat, yams, lentils, EVOO, nuts and etc.

A better diet and incorporation of heavy compound movements to training regimen will generate great results in terms of physical growth as well as gains in strength.

Too early to cycle, as you won't be keeping your gains during and after PCT with a such approach to diet.

[muscle02]

I am glad you posted your diet because it will only help with my rhetoric of not having figured out diet and having room for further improvement.

You are getting TOO MUCH protein for your current body weight and for someone who is not currently cycling.

Your frequency of protein intake is also TOO MUCH, meaning that you body is oxidizing large amounts of amino acids before it ever has the chance to fully absorb and utilize them accordingly. In plain terms, you are shitting majority of your protein intake and thinning your wallet for no reason.

The amount of your daily protein intake that comes from shakes is ABSURD. It is way too much and not result oriented. Again, you are putting extra stress on your stomach, liver and kidneys by doing so and this is altogether an unnecessary practice besides not being healthy.

To sum up, your diet is 2 dimensional, whereas it needs to be 3 dimensional for optimal growth. This is a typical case where a lifter thinks he needs a lot of protein to grow since amino acids are the building blocks of muscle, simply forgetting that human body is naturally incapable of synthesizing and utilizing excessive amounts of protein intake. Furthermore, carbs are largely responsible for building a mass along with healthy fats and anabolic protein.

You need to switch from a supplement dependent two dimensional diet to a rather complex and more beneficial diet that will yield goal oriented results. This can be achieved only though introducing many macronutrient meals that are missing in your diet. More red meat, yams, lentils, EVOO, nuts and etc.

A better diet and incorporation of heavy compound movements to training regimen will generate great results in terms of physical growth as well as gains in strength.

Too early to cycle, as you won't be keeping your gains during and after PCT with a such approach to diet.

Some good advice here.

I have gone from 6'5 170 all the way to 256 on just diet and training alone. I hover around 230-240 now depending on the time of year but diet is 90% of working out.

[Blaz Kavlic]

If you can up your body weight naturally from 170 to around 190 with a solid diet and training routine, you will have proved to yourself that you're on the right track to being capable of maintaining any gains from your cycle. By going down this road, it eliminates the shortcut the guys are talking about above. If you cant gain naturally with your diet and workouts, you simply will not retain any gains post cycle.

[honeysingh]

Thanks guys,

100/100/50/50 don't you guys think 100 for first two weeks are too much?
++ I only have 5000iu of hcg. Can i start hcg from week 3-12 as i don't want to purchase more hcg?

Please answer my questions.
Cheers

[honeysingh]

bump!!!!

[Back In Black]

Bump what? You have your advice. If you are waiting to hear what you want to hear them keep waiting.

Sort out your diet and wait to cycle-that sums it up!

[honeysingh]

I already have the gear...going to cycle with the sorted diet plan!

[AD]

I already have the gear...going to cycle with the sorted diet plan!

is there an expiry date on your gear? i am sure they can wait a little while.

so how is your sorted diet look like?

[honeysingh]

nvm, got what i needed form an another forum!!

[Skyrinegt]

Another noodle try to get big, I was 210lbs @ 6'1 and still wish I waited longer

[aportinastorm]

Hate when people ask for advise but really have no intention of listening to anyone anyways unless they just tell them what they want to hear. Makes the whole process a complete waste of everyones time including the stubborn asker.

[Turkish Juicer]

OP will grow like weed with all the protein shakes and bars while on cycle and once PCT kicks in, he will start loosing them so quickly and shrink due to NOT having figured how to follow a macronutrient based diet in the first place, it won't even be funny.

... but you know what they say ''lessons learned the hard way are those one never forgets.''

[honeysingh]

END of the discussion!! Thank you all!!

[JohnnyVegas]

nvm, got what i needed form an another forum!!

Ha! That will teach you guys! Provide bad customer service and they will go elsewhere. Oh wait, we don't get paid for this.

OP will grow like weed with all the protein shakes and bars while on cycle and once PCT kicks in, he will start loosing them so quickly and shrink due to NOT having figured how to follow a macronutrient based diet in the first place, it won't even be funny.

... but you know what they say ''lessons learned the hard way are those one never forgets.''

...and I know a lot of us have learned those lessons. Ironic that when we try to spare the next guy the trouble, it rarely works out. Oh well.

[bill24]

Just out of curiousity, is it more that you don't think he knows how to eat right, and thus will lose gains because of not consuming enough calories post cycle, or is it that his body will simply not keep on the mass no matter how many calories he eats after the cycle due to whatever reason? I'm kind of in his same boat, although about 15-20 lbs heavier, and this could be a teachable moment.

[Turkish Juicer]

Just out of curiousity, is it more that you don't think he knows how to eat right, and thus will lose gains because of not consuming enough calories post cycle, or is it that his body will simply not keep on the mass no matter how many calories he eats after the cycle due to whatever reason? I'm kind of in his same boat, although about 15-20 lbs heavier, and this could be a teachable moment.

OP posted his diet above, most of his daily protein intake comes from shakes and a bar as opposed to macronutrient (whole) meals.

You can eat nothing but drink gainers while on a cycle and you will still grow, now do NOT take this as an advice but this is true since AAS drastically increases protein synthesis and spares protein, halting muscle waste. However, once all the synthetic hormones clears off, he will be the one wondering why those shakes have stopped working now. To make the long conversation short, if one does not know how to grow naturally due to lack of enough knowledge and implementation of that knowledge, benefits of AAS will never be anywhere close to desired levels. Lastly, following an overeating strategy during PCT and after is about the only strategy that works for keeping as much lean tissue that was recently built on cycle as possible.

[JustINploided]

Speaking of Diets i will post one in diet forum if i could get help adjusting mine to what i need