1st tren-A test-C cycle...help!

[digitalDJ]

i am on my 1st tren -a (75/cc) eod and test-c (200/cc) 2x/wk...i have been working out around 2 years now, and my last cycle was test-only in january, this is my 1st time adding juice....i am on a low calorie/hi protein diet and have been for some months now (about 1500 calorie/day), i feel some muscle hardness from tren but nothin drastic, im on my 9th day in, I cannot shake this belly for the life of me and get that defined look to my chest! i feel it there, but cant get that "seperation line from pecs to belly... i feel like i am in a rut! i have weighed about the same for the past 8 months...my workouts are as strenuous as "more fit" guys around me, it seems like my gains come like 2x slower, i am going to florida in 2 weeks and wanted a semi-decent beach body by then hopefully, or atleast for summer...i was wondering what anyone reccomends, if i should increase my dosage, get additional juice ( i can get it locally if needed) i dont want to be massively huge or anything, just have that "underwear model" physique and a more defined chest. I bust my ass doing chest and upper body when i do. for the time and effort i have been in the gym i just feel i should be at a better state by now...how long until i will see results from the tren? should i increase anything? ...help!!

Im 6'3...30 yrs old, and 220lbs ...ive heard its more difficult to get nice shape being tall, opposed being short

[digitalDJ]

how long until gains kick in w tren A? i just worry if i eat more like people say, that it will go straight to my belly like it seems to always do

[stpete]

Well, you need to eat more than 1500 calories a day. Not only that, but sounds like your training is lacking somewhere. And how about cardio? Doing any of that?
And you need to give it more time to work. And it's not going to happen in 2 weeks. Sorry.

Hit the Nutrition Section and post your diet over there for some help. Then check out the Workout Section.

Good Luck

[ironbeck]

9 Days, common man give it some time.

[digitalDJ]

im eating, but i just try to keep it based on baked chicken/tilapia/eggs and steamed veggies, thats probably why my calories are low, i just dont want it going to the wrong places if i eat more, i know if u take it too much protein it turns to stored fat. and yes im doing cardio about 20-30 min about 2x a week, on eliptical... im sure i probably need more, my main concern is cutting my belly down and defining my chest, and i also work back, legs and core...i dont do a whole lot of abs because i figured it doesnt really matter until u get your BF levels down for it to even show through,,,,i can feel a good physique on me under everything, its just this BF layer mainly in love handles thats killin me, heres a quick average day of my food intake

morning: supplements ( fish oil, multivitamin, calcium, milk thistle, L-glutamine, L-argenine)

simple breakfast on the go before school 7am-ish (i.e. whole wheat cereal, or banana/apple, or 5-6 boiled egg whites) + a protein shake (2 scoops of ISO100)

2 hours later around 830am: chicken breast/tuna or prepped meat from night before w steamed veggies (the ones in the bag at walmart, around 70-100 calories)

around 11 AM i workout until around 1pm, (my days consist of: legs, back/bicep, tri/chest, and i infuse shoulders between everything) mostly all weight i do i stick to enough weight to get 8-10 reps before fail (5-6 sets of everything) then followed by 10-20 min of cardio....i always work out until i am about completely weak in that area

then i instantly have another protein shake (2scoops ISO100)
followed by another meal consisting of chicken, steak, or tilapia w steamed vegetables when i get home. (again the bag of microwaveable steamed veggies)

then an hour nap if possible that day

i snack in between on lean stuff like fruit, cereal, or yogurt, or tuna/crackers until sleep, which usually ends up being from around 12am-6am

[digitalDJ]

appreciate the help yall...i know i sound super noobish over here lol

[gonebluffn]

How many days a week do you workout Im confused when you say my days is this routine ,are you doing a total body workout or is this a split if so what is the split.

[Coolhand5599]

How many days a week do you workout Im confused when you say my days is this routine ,are you doing a total body workout or is this a split if so what is the split.

I was thinking the same thing. It sounds like he is doing total body several times a week

[MickeyKnox]

1500 calories at 220lbs!? holy starve myself batman. what is your tdee? 2000 calories?? bro this doesn't sound right at all, even for a cutting diet.

and snacking on "lean stuff like fruit" is NOT a good idea for losing fat bro.

[Blaz Kavlic]

If you want to build further definition in your chest you're going to need cals to support that. 1500 cals per day is insufficient for someone of your stats. You can up your cals without concerning yourself with putting on fat, just ensure you eat clean carbs consisting of brown rice, wholemeal pasta, sweet potato. Keep your daily protein intake at around 1g per 1.5-2lbs of LBM and add some more cardio sessions post workout.

[digitalDJ]

no i split my days up (by the commas) and i guess i kinda scared myself into the low calorie thing because i dont want to gain any more belly fat, ive heard in order to lose BF% u have to burn more calories then u take in daily...i feel my physique underneath everything, its showing more and more, but again, i feel i am in a rut, i appreciate everyones help to the fullest, i guess i gotta eat more then

[Super-Chump]

Yeah I'd say ~3500 cals would be a good start for you my friend. It will be a rough transition from 1500 to 3500 but you don't really have any other choice.

If you weren't on a cycle i'd suggest you bump up it up slowly, probably 300 per week. So week 1: 1800 calories, week 2: 2100 calories, week 3: 2400 calories etc. But seeing how you are already on a cycle I'd try and bump it up ASAP. Don't go from 1500 to 3500 immediately because that's just crazy and you will feel terrible. But do it ASAP

[MickeyKnox]

what.......is........your........TDEE?

and no, to lose calories you need to be in a caloric deficit FIRST...not "burn more calories than you take in". that's why you're in a "rut". BUT...you need to know what your TDEE is???

and i would bet after you figure it out and reduce it by 500 cals the end result will not be 3500.

[< <Samson> >]

How are you still alive, specially in our AZ Sun?


You need to do some work, brotha.

Diet - I have no idea how you can still lift @ 1,500 cal. Snack on fruit & yogurt on juice? Hmmmm. . . I have yogurt between meals, 2 cups at a time.

What is your workout? You kinda need to be specific.

What's your BF?

[songdog]

Bro you need a good diet cardio and things will come togeather.But not OVERNITE give it time post your diet in the diet section and they will help.Just dont give up.